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The Age of Personalized Hardware Is Coming

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Re: The Age of Personalized Hardware Is Coming

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> Here's the catch. To put a decent interface on a seven-dollar board today, you still need C++, a board SDK... None of that looks anything like building for the web, so the way most people build interfaces stops at the edge of the device.

So they put a web browser in the device?

Re: The Age of Personalized Hardware Is Coming

#32

I don't think people have realized it yet, but AI can do hardware too. That's what I had hoped this was about. I had Claude design an entire 4 layer rp2040 based PCB from scratch and PCBWay build it. It worked on the first go, other than some silkscreen overlapped, which doesn't hurt anything. That was before Fable. Then I had it design a case for the new pcb to 3d print. Also worked the first go, but with minor cosm…

For small stuff, sure. For something with more components I don't think it's ever gonna be useful. Routing a pcb is an np-hard problem and, imho, no AI has enough actual thinking capability to make a good job out of it.

Re: The Age of Personalized Hardware Is Coming

#33

I don't think people have realized it yet, but AI can do hardware too. That's what I had hoped this was about. I had Claude design an entire 4 layer rp2040 based PCB from scratch and PCBWay build it. It worked on the first go, other than some silkscreen overlapped, which doesn't hurt anything. That was before Fable. Then I had it design a case for the new pcb to 3d print. Also worked the first go, but with minor cosm…

For small stuff, sure. For something with more components I don't think it's ever gonna be useful. Routing a pcb is an np-hard problem and, imho, no AI has enough actual thinking capability to make a good job out of it.

The human brain hasn't solved NP-hardness, either. We make it work using heuristics and automation tools, which in turn use heuristics themselves. I see no reason why AI wouldn't be able to take the same approach.

Re: The Age of Personalized Hardware Is Coming

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post #31

> Here's the catch. To put a decent interface on a seven-dollar board today, you still need C++, a board SDK... None of that looks anything like building for the web, so the way most people build interfaces stops at the edge of the device. So they put a web browser in the device?

I’ve had Claude build UIs from scratch in rust. No framework. I prompted it to make its own ImGUI style Ui system and a few minutes later I had texts, icons, buttons, sliders, scrolling lists, etc..

All my experience tells me it can do it with or without a GPU meaning if you don’t have one it can easily write a software render for a UI

Re: The Age of Personalized Hardware Is Coming

#35

I don't think people have realized it yet, but AI can do hardware too. That's what I had hoped this was about. I had Claude design an entire 4 layer rp2040 based PCB from scratch and PCBWay build it. It worked on the first go, other than some silkscreen overlapped, which doesn't hurt anything. That was before Fable. Then I had it design a case for the new pcb to 3d print. Also worked the first go, but with minor cosm…

> Then I had it design a case for the new pcb to 3d print.

Can you elaborate on this? What did you use to "design" it?

Im thinking of getting a 3d printer and would love to explore this intersection a bit more.

Re: The Age of Personalized Hardware Is Coming

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While personalization is definitely the trend, I don't think people are going to build code just to personalize. A tiny few of all who bought the device could do that. A few more could flash the device with some open firmware that gives more features and personalization and most will stick with the range of the personalization provided by the vendor. For the most people, the risks outweigh the desire for tinkering. P…

I'd include the geeks in that. I've been programming computers and tinkering with all sorts of hardware for more than 30 years. I first used FreeBSD in.....2001? and Linux not long after that. I've programmed OS code, I've grudgingly written VHDL, I've assembled a sound card for the Apple II I still have running - all this to say that I believe I'm in your tiny few. And I'm so tired. Tired of having to debug all the…

> I run Windows because I'm sick of debugging device driver issues.

Lost me there. The rest is reasonable but other OSes (MacOS, Linux) also rarely have driver issues. Its not like Windows never needs fixing (these days more than Linux). These days you can buy computers with Linux pre-installed and compatible hardware.

My biggest problem with technology is with very stock stuff. Mobile apps that everyone pushes you to use that clutter up your phone and are often crap. Every time an app I use updates I wonder "what have they broken this time?".

Re: The Age of Personalized Hardware Is Coming

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For small stuff, sure. For something with more components I don't think it's ever gonna be useful. Routing a pcb is an np-hard problem and, imho, no AI has enough actual thinking capability to make a good job out of it.

The human brain hasn't solved NP-hardness, either. We make it work using heuristics and automation tools, which in turn use heuristics themselves. I see no reason why AI wouldn't be able to take the same approach.

I mean we already have seen this happen with AlphaDev. Not sure why AI would fail at working on NP-hard problems if our current way is to basically guess and keep trying until something clicks (something that is not difficult for an AI system that can just keep running).

Re: The Age of Personalized Hardware Is Coming

#38
post #2

While personalization is definitely the trend, I don't think people are going to build code just to personalize. A tiny few of all who bought the device could do that. A few more could flash the device with some open firmware that gives more features and personalization and most will stick with the range of the personalization provided by the vendor. For the most people, the risks outweigh the desire for tinkering. P…

I'd include the geeks in that. I've been programming computers and tinkering with all sorts of hardware for more than 30 years. I first used FreeBSD in.....2001? and Linux not long after that. I've programmed OS code, I've grudgingly written VHDL, I've assembled a sound card for the Apple II I still have running - all this to say that I believe I'm in your tiny few. And I'm so tired. Tired of having to debug all the…

I get where you're coming from, though I'm not quite at 30 years yet. I like building stuff, I don't like configuring, debugging or troubleshooting my OS or computer. I just want it to work and get out of the way.

For me this has translated into a slightly different outcome: stock ubuntu with basically just zsh/powerlevel10k, I add component assembly when I buy a new desktop, I'm about to probably replace my home server with a NAS etc.

Re: The Age of Personalized Hardware Is Coming

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I don't think people have realized it yet, but AI can do hardware too. That's what I had hoped this was about. I had Claude design an entire 4 layer rp2040 based PCB from scratch and PCBWay build it. It worked on the first go, other than some silkscreen overlapped, which doesn't hurt anything. That was before Fable. Then I had it design a case for the new pcb to 3d print. Also worked the first go, but with minor cosm…

What confidence would you have in AI's ability to do 20-40GHz signal routing with good integrity? HDMI + USB4 + USB-C DP AltMode and a bunch of USB4 routing/switching fabric stuff?
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