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California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by ang_cire »

chopete3 wrote: post #17
m-hodges wrote: post #4

Roughly 9 years ago: https://neveragain.tech/

This is a very good pledge to have all humans to sign up for anywhere on the globe. >>We are choosing to stand in solidarity with Muslim Americans, This particular word, with no other specifc identities after that, takes the air out of this massive effort and gives the impression it is a localized effort.

Do you understand that you're basically pulling an "All Lives Matter" right now?

This statement was about the specific incoming US administration that was anti-immigrant, and especially anti-Muslim. It is a localized effort, because not every place has the same problems and needs the same solutions, and hyper-generalized statements that don't call out any particular instances of a problem are meaningless.

Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by throwaway85825 »

wat10000 wrote: post #30
CharlesW wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, this would be a great way to streamline our country's government-controlled digital panopticon.

I don’t get the impression that the current system is really getting in the way of that.

Instead we get a private panopticon that the government just rents.

Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by Eufrat »

wat10000 wrote: post #25

We should switch to a national ID system and be done with it. The patchwork we have is getting more ridiculous by the day.

Some of this is just the nature of American culture. Acceptance/rejection of federal authority is often irrational and leads to this patchwork. For instance, replace this statement with a national gun registry and watch people flip out.

Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by mindslight »

wat10000 wrote: post #25

We should switch to a national ID system and be done with it. The patchwork we have is getting more ridiculous by the day.

Not without an equivalent of the GDPR. Our current identification systems (DL#/SSN) are currently being flagrantly abused by the surveillance industry. This needs to be stopped before we go making identification even stronger.

Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by devmor »

wat10000 wrote: post #25

We should switch to a national ID system and be done with it. The patchwork we have is getting more ridiculous by the day.

I don’t want the federal government to have control or oversight on my ID. Why would anyone want that?

Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by anigbrowl »

giantg2 wrote: post #6

The author is concerned that the feds could subpoena the data from the company that it's being submitted to. Wouldn't this same concern apply to the feds serving a subpoena to the state? Once the data is out there, it's out there. If one level of government has it, all the peer/higher levels will have access of they want it. It sounds like this database is the one that feeds license data to NCIC. The bigger question…

The author pointed out that one potential problem is feds subpoenaing data from the AAMVA and not notifying the state of California that it had done so. Given it's such a short article, I can't think of a good reason for why you would have overlooked this.

Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by fsckboy »

SoftTalker wrote: post #18
fsckboy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These issues are really complicated because they aren’t left versus right. Conservatives and progressives both tend to be ideologically skeptical of enhancements/sharing of ID. It's complicated within each party, but not overall. Idealogues prefer debating other idealogues because they use the same vocabularies and that preference is why they are always fighting, they like it. But the fat part of the curve in the m…

If they would ever shut up and compromise, there would be no need for their ideology. That's why advocates almost never really solve the issues they are advocating about, because to do so would be to eliminate the thing that gives them attention and power.

i'm not favoring any part of the spectrum, they all contribute, that's why they all exist in every society. Ideologies is where structured ideas come from, but they're usually embraced with religious fervor to the exclusion of reality, blind to the majority (the middle and the other side) who are not convinced, and the middle is where they are lived out. The trick is to not water the ideas down to meaninglessness against the grindstones of apathy and practicality.

Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by jandrewrogers »

wat10000 wrote: post #25

We should switch to a national ID system and be done with it. The patchwork we have is getting more ridiculous by the day.

The US already has a national ID system. What the Federal government can't do is make it mandatory to have a national ID, either directly or constructively through regulation. This matter has been to the Supreme Court many times over several decades and it is a matter of settled law that only the individual States have this authority.

It would require a Constitutional amendment to transfer this authority from the States to the Federal government. Congress can't just ignore the Constitution just because it is inconvenient.

Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by giantg2 »

anigbrowl wrote: post #37
giantg2 wrote: post #6

The author is concerned that the feds could subpoena the data from the company that it's being submitted to. Wouldn't this same concern apply to the feds serving a subpoena to the state? Once the data is out there, it's out there. If one level of government has it, all the peer/higher levels will have access of they want it. It sounds like this database is the one that feeds license data to NCIC. The bigger question…

The author pointed out that one potential problem is feds subpoenaing data from the AAMVA and not notifying the state of California that it had done so. Given it's such a short article, I can't think of a good reason for why you would have overlooked this.

I didn't overlook it, it's simply not a relevant point. The state won't do anything about a individual subpoena wether it's against the state or a company.
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