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Re: Austria Lobbies EU to Host Anthropic After US Access Curbs

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Post by alephnerd »

dgellow wrote: post #30
alephnerd wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they do relax regulation (especially on energy generation) sufficiently to unleash the continent's big brained boffins and entrepreneurs on AI Capital. Capital, capital, capital. The EU is still not a single unified economy and capital markets remains semi-sovereign. Every Euro that goes out of (eg.) a Dutch taxpayer's pocket into an (eg.) German domiciled competitor gets pushed back against by national competit…

I really hope that will push for completion of the single market. I wouldn’t bet on it, but that’s something we should have done a decade ago

It won't. Once you actually visit Bruxelles or talk with ex-policymakers you realize they don't actually care to give up sovereign control to the EU.

It's still viewed as a prestige post, and European industries and states will continue to work with partners outside of Europe if it means surviving.

Additonally, capital consolidation within the EU also means subnational capital flight which means layoffs. For example, look at how East Germany shifted hard to AfD after Germany Inc left for Poland. Therefore, when push comes to shove, it becomes politically untenable.

Re: Austria Lobbies EU to Host Anthropic After US Access Curbs

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Post by re-framer »

delichon wrote: post #8

To stay near the frontier of AI without being subject to the discretion of foreign countries the EU has to stay near the frontier of R&D themselves. Even if they can get around ITAR now and self-host, they would be stuck with having to repeatedly negotiate permission to use each new advance. If they do relax regulation (especially on energy generation) sufficiently to unleash the continent's big brained boffins and e…

What is it that makes gas power plants so much more attractive than renewable energy? From what I heard, it's a bit easier to build them very fast and they reliably produce energy on demand (as long as gas is available of course). But I imaging one could replicate this using solar/wind and storage units.

I could imagine that the challenge is that that having enough solar panels for a few gigawatts of consumption is hard to do on-site, so one needs to connect the data center to the grid, which, in turn, complicates matters and transformators are scarce right now.

Is this about right? I do hope that we find a way to do this more sustainably. AI doesn't solve climate change in the next few years, so clean energy isn't irrelevant.

Re: Austria Lobbies EU to Host Anthropic After US Access Curbs

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Post by impossiblefork »

dgellow wrote: post #27
delichon wrote: post #8

To stay near the frontier of AI without being subject to the discretion of foreign countries the EU has to stay near the frontier of R&D themselves. Even if they can get around ITAR now and self-host, they would be stuck with having to repeatedly negotiate permission to use each new advance. If they do relax regulation (especially on energy generation) sufficiently to unleash the continent's big brained boffins and e…

What specific regulations are currently blocking AI entrepreneurs?

There may be an advantage to be able to use all available data.

Re: Austria Lobbies EU to Host Anthropic After US Access Curbs

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Post by blfr »

alephnerd wrote: post #28
delichon wrote: post #8

To stay near the frontier of AI without being subject to the discretion of foreign countries the EU has to stay near the frontier of R&D themselves. Even if they can get around ITAR now and self-host, they would be stuck with having to repeatedly negotiate permission to use each new advance. If they do relax regulation (especially on energy generation) sufficiently to unleash the continent's big brained boffins and e…

> If they do relax regulation (especially on energy generation) sufficiently to unleash the continent's big brained boffins and entrepreneurs on AI Capital. Capital, capital, capital. The EU is still not a single unified economy and capital markets remains semi-sovereign. Every Euro that goes out of (eg.) a Dutch taxpayer's pocket into an (eg.) German domiciled competitor gets pushed back against by national competit…

Both Scaleway and OVH are French and partly made possible by France's inexpensive energy mix.

Re: Austria Lobbies EU to Host Anthropic After US Access Curbs

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Post by cyanydeez »

delichon wrote: post #8

To stay near the frontier of AI without being subject to the discretion of foreign countries the EU has to stay near the frontier of R&D themselves. Even if they can get around ITAR now and self-host, they would be stuck with having to repeatedly negotiate permission to use each new advance. If they do relax regulation (especially on energy generation) sufficiently to unleash the continent's big brained boffins and e…

Or they can just wait for disease and famine, along with Israel and Russia, to destroy America from the inside. Or just get their fusion projects working.

Re: Austria Lobbies EU to Host Anthropic After US Access Curbs

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Post by dipierro »

re-framer wrote: post #32
delichon wrote: post #8

To stay near the frontier of AI without being subject to the discretion of foreign countries the EU has to stay near the frontier of R&D themselves. Even if they can get around ITAR now and self-host, they would be stuck with having to repeatedly negotiate permission to use each new advance. If they do relax regulation (especially on energy generation) sufficiently to unleash the continent's big brained boffins and e…

What is it that makes gas power plants so much more attractive than renewable energy? From what I heard, it's a bit easier to build them very fast and they reliably produce energy on demand (as long as gas is available of course). But I imaging one could replicate this using solar/wind and storage units. I could imagine that the challenge is that that having enough solar panels for a few gigawatts of consumption is h…

As far as I understand, building a large solar farm is still considerably _faster_ than gas turbine plant.

Re: Austria Lobbies EU to Host Anthropic After US Access Curbs

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Post by khurs »

dgellow wrote: post #29
khurs wrote: post #19

Anthropic already have offices across the world, including Europe, but unless they moved their registered address would be subject to the curbs. If Anthropic quit the USA, Trump administration would likely make an example of them. Wouldn't be pretty.

Anthropic engineering is in London and the US. The other offices in Europe are sales oriented

Zurich is also Engineering (any many staff in Zurich and London will be from other countries temporarily working there).

Re: Austria Lobbies EU to Host Anthropic After US Access Curbs

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Post by alephnerd »

blfr wrote: post #35
alephnerd wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they do relax regulation (especially on energy generation) sufficiently to unleash the continent's big brained boffins and entrepreneurs on AI Capital. Capital, capital, capital. The EU is still not a single unified economy and capital markets remains semi-sovereign. Every Euro that goes out of (eg.) a Dutch taxpayer's pocket into an (eg.) German domiciled competitor gets pushed back against by national competit…

Both Scaleway and OVH are French and partly made possible by France's inexpensive energy mix.

> Both Scaleway and OVH are French

Doh, I meant Hetzner

> partly made possible by France's inexpensive energy mix

Not really. Both developed well before the energy crisis when energy wasn't a significant input for DC construction.

The reason both succeeded is because French conglomerates continue to invest within France and only buy French.

It also didn't hurt that Xavier Niel and Klaba were able to leverage their preexisting telecom business and network.

Re: Austria Lobbies EU to Host Anthropic After US Access Curbs

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Post by sarjann »

int32_64 wrote: post #20

Have OpenAI or Anthropic ever had a model hacked/leaked? Is there any good reads on their cultures of preventing it from happening?

I believe Nvidia chips have a secure way to run your model on other infra.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/solutions/confident...

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