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The Exhaustion of Talking to a Tool

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Re: The Exhaustion of Talking to a Tool

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Post by tptacek »

iwontberude wrote: post #17
Jonovono wrote: post #15

Man, I don't know. LLMs (with the good and bad) feel like the first time a tool has genuinely been an extension of me. And quite the opposite. I'm a quite introverted person. Spending time in a meeting or talking with other humans I find quite exhausting. I don't really get that at all with talking with LLMs.

It’s because large language models give a variable reward and it’s essentially an addiction that many people have not even recognized.

In what sense is this true that isn't true of a simple web search?

Re: The Exhaustion of Talking to a Tool

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

iwontberude wrote: post #17
Jonovono wrote: post #15

Man, I don't know. LLMs (with the good and bad) feel like the first time a tool has genuinely been an extension of me. And quite the opposite. I'm a quite introverted person. Spending time in a meeting or talking with other humans I find quite exhausting. I don't really get that at all with talking with LLMs.

It’s because large language models give a variable reward and it’s essentially an addiction that many people have not even recognized.

They used to call it schizophrenia, and put people in padded rooms for such delusions. Now, "AI" ego manipulation is a mental dildo for people that should know better philosophically. However, we shouldn't kink shame, so give this post a thumbs-down if you agree. lol =3

Re: The Exhaustion of Talking to a Tool

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

iwontberude wrote: post #17
Jonovono wrote: post #15

Man, I don't know. LLMs (with the good and bad) feel like the first time a tool has genuinely been an extension of me. And quite the opposite. I'm a quite introverted person. Spending time in a meeting or talking with other humans I find quite exhausting. I don't really get that at all with talking with LLMs.

It’s because large language models give a variable reward and it’s essentially an addiction that many people have not even recognized.

That is interesting, but also I do wonder, what in life doesn't have a variable reward? You could say that any routine activities like maybe cleaning, etc, is all the same, but most non routine things in life seem like they would have variable reward?

E.g. talking to people definitely yields in very variable rewards, if you do non routine work, there's constant variable rewards, etc.

Re: The Exhaustion of Talking to a Tool

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

tptacek wrote: post #31
iwontberude wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s because large language models give a variable reward and it’s essentially an addiction that many people have not even recognized.

In what sense is this true that isn't true of a simple web search?

A web search doesn't use isomorphic plagiarism of naive users work to sell to other users.

LLM are actually good at context search, but are mostly not being used as intended. The LLM hype bubble has to end sooner or later. =3

Re: The Exhaustion of Talking to a Tool

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Post by jdw64 »

I talk almost exclusively with AI these days. There's no one around me who knows programming, I get tired of reading code for projects I'm not interested in, and the projects I am interested in are too difficult, so I just talk with AI, organize my thoughts, and read books.

There's no one around me who does programming. There are hardly any programmers in my town.

The upside is that most programming-related tasks in my town end up going through me. The downside is that there's not much work to begin with, and I can't talk about the things I'm actually interested in.

I'd like to stay in touch with friends who are interested in programming or academia, but since I didn't go to a good university, it seems like I haven't had much of a connection with them

Re: The Exhaustion of Talking to a Tool

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #36
tptacek wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what sense is this true that isn't true of a simple web search?

A web search doesn't use isomorphic plagiarism of naive users work to sell to other users. LLM are actually good at context search, but are mostly not being used as intended. The LLM hype bubble has to end sooner or later. =3

How does that answer the question or relate to variable reward and addiction mechanisms? This just seems another unrelated negative sentiment argument towards LLMs?

Re: The Exhaustion of Talking to a Tool

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Post by bluefirebrand »

jdw64 wrote: post #37

I talk almost exclusively with AI these days. There's no one around me who knows programming, I get tired of reading code for projects I'm not interested in, and the projects I am interested in are too difficult, so I just talk with AI, organize my thoughts, and read books. There's no one around me who does programming. There are hardly any programmers in my town. The upside is that most programming-related tasks in…

Why talk to AI though, there are plenty of humans you can reach online if you want to

Many evenings I spend on voice chat with friends around the world, these days

Re: The Exhaustion of Talking to a Tool

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Post by russ-curry »

iwontberude wrote: post #17
Jonovono wrote: post #15

Man, I don't know. LLMs (with the good and bad) feel like the first time a tool has genuinely been an extension of me. And quite the opposite. I'm a quite introverted person. Spending time in a meeting or talking with other humans I find quite exhausting. I don't really get that at all with talking with LLMs.

It’s because large language models give a variable reward and it’s essentially an addiction that many people have not even recognized.

It's a slot machine that plays you.
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