Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who they employ then? AI?
> Today, the undersigned commit real resources — engineering talent, security expertise, and funding — to harden the software we share
Human talent or LLM talent?
We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
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Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
#32Will they hire the actual maintainers of the software in question, to have time dedicated to the project, or will they as usual, dump AI-generated patches unto maintainers, but this time with even more time pressure to merge, lest them consider projects “unmaintained” if they don't push a fix in 3 femtoseconds, and use it as a rationale to take over the project?
I'm pretty sure it'll be an AI dump fest with barely any humans except the long term maintainers having to cope with it all.
Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
#33> We are joined by Amazon Web Services, Anthropic, Chainguard, Cisco, Citi, Endor Labs, Ericsson, Google, IBM, JPMorganChase, Microsoft and GitHub, NVIDIA, OpenAI, RapidFort, Red Hat, Rust Foundation, Sonatype, Vodafone, and Zscaler Many of the names on the list makes the initiative rather suspect. Companies who do a lot to undermine free and open-source software, who hide critical software behind their walls, preven…
> All members must be current Linux Foundation members and sign the participation agreement and NDA.
Just another opaque and exclusive subproject of the Linux Foundation.
Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
#34I'm not really a Stallman fanboy but I do find the Free software / Open source distinction really stick out in situations like this.
There isn't a call out for contributors. This is all done behind closed doors. It's the antithesis of free/open source software, presented as defending it.
I don't particularly have any better ideas. And I'm not particularly criticising. It's just a lot of the time the terms are synonymous, but here they starkly different.
Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
#35No we won’t. We’ll make grand statements about it, leave it for commercial entities to corrupt it, then complain loudly about the state of it when we really did nothing about it. I expect we’ve got a future of “undo forks” as I’ve called them which is rolling back to pre-insanity times and rethinking again. That’s only something people unencumbered by commercial requirements can do.
Spot on!!!
Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
#36Will they hire the actual maintainers of the software in question, to have time dedicated to the project, or will they as usual, dump AI-generated patches unto maintainers, but this time with even more time pressure to merge, lest them consider projects “unmaintained” if they don't push a fix in 3 femtoseconds, and use it as a rationale to take over the project?
I'm pretty sure it'll be an AI dump fest with barely any humans except the long term maintainers having to cope with it all.
I mean, it won't be neither the first nor the last slopdump, but it's the first that's backed by a threat of project takeover.
“Maintainers of last resort”, my [back].
Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
#37Corporates terrorized people with the financial crisis they created and the unemployment weapon.
They terrorized them to abandon their free time. They terrorized them to find easy solutions in the workplace instead of coming up with solutions that require technical expertise and deep thinking. They terrorized people to not conform to standards, or create standards but instead patch around lack of standardization. They terrorized people to not question, but accept. To become slaves. They did not help them get wide knowledge but be specific on the work, like mass produced meat. They swept all problems under the carpet and said "This time it will be different". No victories, just silence on the defeats.
It has been happening in the past, has accelerated and made worse as they seized more power.
The leap to AI era is the latest and more violent step of this attack on fundamental human rights.
The problem is political in my opinion. People ought to demand a better life and more free time to work on open source or do their hobbies. They ought to demand human centric laws that stop the greed and by enforcing the laws at last.
Free time is not for consumption, but for production of higher intellectual artefacts.
Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
#38Unforteuately I think it's moot to post this on hacker news. The majority of people here drink deep from the AI pool and just don't care. Besides many of the companies on the list are suspext numero uno for the state of open source
All voices have a place.
Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
#39> We are joined by Amazon Web Services, Anthropic, Chainguard, Cisco, Citi, Endor Labs, Ericsson, Google, IBM, JPMorganChase, Microsoft and GitHub, NVIDIA, OpenAI, RapidFort, Red Hat, Rust Foundation, Sonatype, Vodafone, and Zscaler Many of the names on the list makes the initiative rather suspect. Companies who do a lot to undermine free and open-source software, who hide critical software behind their walls, preven…
That's just your typical list that makes up the Linux foundation.
It might not be the idealistic flavour of open source you prefer, but it's the flavour of open source that's actively in use in most tech companies, and that also forms the makeup of most corporate open source participation (e.g. also the top corporate Linux contributors).
Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
#40> We are joined by Amazon Web Services ...
There goes all the credibility of this post