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Prairieland defendants sentenced today to prison terms ranging from 30-100 years

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Re: Prairieland defendants sentenced today to prison terms ranging from 30-100 years

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You agree with essentially a life sentence for moving pamphlets around? What a vomit-inducing thing to believe.

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> You agree with essentially a life sentence for moving pamphlets around?

That was the question you were asked. It was a short comment with very few big words. Why are you talking about whether it’s a crime? Why the rank dishonesty?

Is it too hard a question for you to figure out how to answer?

Re: Prairieland defendants sentenced today to prison terms ranging from 30-100 years

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Headline: "for Common Protest Activity" Body: "material support for terrorists, attempted murder, possession and conspiracy to use explosives" Um?

Um what? The activity in the body aligns with the title.

Even the part that sounds the worst if you take it out of context, was not a murder or even failed attempted murder, but the successful prevention of a murder.

Re: Prairieland defendants sentenced today to prison terms ranging from 30-100 years

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What about moving a box of zines?

Estrada was convicted of "intending to conceal the box’s contents and impair its availability for use in a federal grand jury and federal criminal proceeding," not for just moving a box of zines. [1]

Tampering with evidence is a serious crime. I suppose you think that Trump's mishandling of classified information was just "moving a box of documents", too?

1. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/antifa-cell-members-convicted...

Re: Prairieland defendants sentenced today to prison terms ranging from 30-100 years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about moving a box of zines?

Estrada was convicted of "intending to conceal the box’s contents and impair its availability for use in a federal grand jury and federal criminal proceeding," not for just moving a box of zines. [1] Tampering with evidence is a serious crime. I suppose you think that Trump's mishandling of classified information was just "moving a box of documents", too? 1. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/antifa-cell-members-convicte…

What was Trump's punishment?

Re: Prairieland defendants sentenced today to prison terms ranging from 30-100 years

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Headline: "for Common Protest Activity" Body: "material support for terrorists, attempted murder, possession and conspiracy to use explosives" Um?

Um what? The activity in the body aligns with the title. Even the part that sounds the worst if you take it out of context, was not a murder or even failed attempted murder, but the successful prevention of a murder.

The activity in the body does not align with the title. Even putting aside whether such activities are justified in this case or acceptable in general, people do not commonly attempt murder or posses explosives at protests.

Re: Prairieland defendants sentenced today to prison terms ranging from 30-100 years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Estrada was convicted of "intending to conceal the box’s contents and impair its availability for use in a federal grand jury and federal criminal proceeding," not for just moving a box of zines. [1] Tampering with evidence is a serious crime. I suppose you think that Trump's mishandling of classified information was just "moving a box of documents", too? 1. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/antifa-cell-members-convicte…

What was Trump's punishment?

He was charged with 37 felony counts, the most serious of which carried a maximum sentence of 20 years. Had he been convicted he would have surely gone to prison for far longer than Estrada. [1]

Both the crimes Trump was charged with and Estrada was convicted of are very serious. But to some people, the severity of the penalties are only an issue when the politics of the person charged with them aligns with their own.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_prosecution_of_Donald_...

Re: Prairieland defendants sentenced today to prison terms ranging from 30-100 years

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Um what? The activity in the body aligns with the title. Even the part that sounds the worst if you take it out of context, was not a murder or even failed attempted murder, but the successful prevention of a murder.

The activity in the body does not align with the title. Even putting aside whether such activities are justified in this case or acceptable in general, people do not commonly attempt murder or posses explosives at protests.

What the sentencing calls attempted murder, the defendants are describing as one of the protesters watching a police officer preparing to shoot another protester who was running away on their back, and thus shooting in the direction of the would-be cold blood murderer to prevent the assassination attempt. If this description is correct (a big if, but it seems the judge didn't care for examining the evidence), then it's something that wouldn't have happened at all weren't for actions of the officer himself.

As for explosives, the defendants say it was fireworks. Carrying fireworks at protests is common.

Re: Prairieland defendants sentenced today to prison terms ranging from 30-100 years

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Moved a box of zines to their car

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How are zines evidence, and you genuinely think they deserve 30 years for that? For knowing someone who shot a cop?
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