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Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel

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Post by vidarh »

VorpalWay wrote: post #25
tuwtuwtuwtuw wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From Wikipedia: > The Stad Ship Tunnel (Norwegian: Stad skipstunnel) is a planned canal and tunnel to bypass the Stad peninsula in Stad Municipality in Vestland county, Norway. The peninsula is one of the most exposed areas on the coast, without any outlying islands to protect it from the weather. The section has traditionally been one of the most dangerous along the coast of Norway. > The surrounding waters, known a…

"Stadhavet Sea", since havet means "the sea" (in both Swedish and (as far as I know) Norwegian), that is a terrible phrasing on English Wikipedia. It should be either just "Stadhavet" or "the Stad sea". Though, to be fair, there are a lot of places with silly names like that. From what I have heard "Sahara Desert" translates to "Desert desert" for example. I seem to remember there is even a place that translates as "…

> I seem to remember there is even a place that translates as "hill hill hill" somewhere in UK, using three different languages.

You might be thinking of Torpenhow. It's not clear the etymology actually supports the "hill hill hill" (I thought it did). But there are enough silly names like that for a Wikipedia list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tautological_place_nam...

Quite a few of the English ones are incidentally down to either Norse or Germanic influence. E.g. most island names ending in "-ey" (compare -øy) that has gotten "island" added, like Canvey island.

Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel

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Post by bborud »

dgellow wrote: post #22

Only 4 years of work to be ready? That sounds pretty optimistic ( crying in German )

Ask a Norwegian to dig a tunnel and they will turn into a gopher on meth. We are the undisputed champions of tunnels in terms of tunnel density. Show us a piece of rock and we'll put a big hole in it.

However.

Ask a Norwegian to fix a piece of road and you will be staring at a hole in the ground for 4 years while people will take turns leaning on a shovel in that hole while surrounded by at least 4 different categories of supervisor or inspector.

But to inject some realism: if they say 4 years they can probably do it in 5. And it'll take another year or so to fix fuck-ups that in retrospect will look stupid and thoughtless, but which are realistically unavoidable. We'll whine about it. A lot. And each week the whole country will be experts on something new. Like evil-sounding compounds for stopping water ingress or how to insulate wires. And then suddenly it starts working.

Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel

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Post by em-bee »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #18

I'm not hugely sure I see the point - it doesn't link to anywhere major. Is Måløy to Åheim a major route?

as i understand it, the problem is not getting to Åheim, but sailing along the coast, where, in this part, the conditions are frequently bad. the tunnel is not a shortcut to Åheim but a detour passing Åheim to avoid the coastal area and instead sail through the fjords.

Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel

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Post by bborud »

notfried wrote: post #2

When an architecture company seemingly uses AI to render mockups, they really need to ensure consistency and accuracy. It's not that difficult nowadays. It was quite confusing trying to understand the differences in design between pictures and to compute why the tunnel seems so short compared to the mountain, until I realized it must have been laziness; not laziness because they are using AI, but laziness to do their…

Of course, the tunnel will be in non-euclidian space. So it is shorter on the inside than on the outside :-)

Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel

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Post by Someone »

FTA: Norway will start building the first full-size ship tunnel in the world

And “Full-size” means what? Sea-faring?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_tunnel lists several tunnels that ships can pass through, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rove_Tunnel, to me, seems to have supported decently sized ships.

Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel

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Post by borosuxks »

VorpalWay wrote: post #25
tuwtuwtuwtuw wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From Wikipedia: > The Stad Ship Tunnel (Norwegian: Stad skipstunnel) is a planned canal and tunnel to bypass the Stad peninsula in Stad Municipality in Vestland county, Norway. The peninsula is one of the most exposed areas on the coast, without any outlying islands to protect it from the weather. The section has traditionally been one of the most dangerous along the coast of Norway. > The surrounding waters, known a…

"Stadhavet Sea", since havet means "the sea" (in both Swedish and (as far as I know) Norwegian), that is a terrible phrasing on English Wikipedia. It should be either just "Stadhavet" or "the Stad sea". Though, to be fair, there are a lot of places with silly names like that. From what I have heard "Sahara Desert" translates to "Desert desert" for example. I seem to remember there is even a place that translates as "…

Norway had Nesoddtangen, which is three versions of the english point or head (nes, odde, tange) put together

Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

bborud wrote: post #32
dgellow wrote: post #22

Only 4 years of work to be ready? That sounds pretty optimistic ( crying in German )

Ask a Norwegian to dig a tunnel and they will turn into a gopher on meth. We are the undisputed champions of tunnels in terms of tunnel density. Show us a piece of rock and we'll put a big hole in it. However. Ask a Norwegian to fix a piece of road and you will be staring at a hole in the ground for 4 years while people will take turns leaning on a shovel in that hole while surrounded by at least 4 different categori…

> Ask a Norwegian to dig a tunnel and they will turn into a gopher on meth. We are the undisputed champions of tunnels in terms of tunnel density. Show us a piece of rock and we'll put a big hole in it.

You're saying the the general sense from the old germanic language cultures that dwarves and their ilk were somehow Scandanavian is rooted is a well-dug reality?

Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel

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Post by Jensson »

dgellow wrote: post #21
ant6n wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bet the cost-benefit is actually negative. But it is kind of cool, I guess.

Depends on the time frame, no? Such a tunnel will exist for a long time (I assume)

Yeah, governments invest on a different timescale than corporations. An investment like this typically enables future investments by other actors and adds up to a lot more than what you see currently.

For example a train station doesn't just serve the current people who live there, but the new town and all the new buildings that will be built around it as well. Infrastructure improves land value often by many orders of magnitude more than it costs to build.

Re: Norway greenlights first full-scale ship tunnel

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Post by MomsAVoxell »

bborud wrote: post #32
dgellow wrote: post #22

Only 4 years of work to be ready? That sounds pretty optimistic ( crying in German )

Ask a Norwegian to dig a tunnel and they will turn into a gopher on meth. We are the undisputed champions of tunnels in terms of tunnel density. Show us a piece of rock and we'll put a big hole in it. However. Ask a Norwegian to fix a piece of road and you will be staring at a hole in the ground for 4 years while people will take turns leaning on a shovel in that hole while surrounded by at least 4 different categori…

So just ask Norwegians to dig tunnels around the broken road, duh.
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