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Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by elric »

noduerme wrote: post #25
infofarmer wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exacerbated by astonishing overuse for anything from a 2-minute endoscopy to a 15-minute hand surgery. The pursuit of “comfort” at the cost of fractional lobotomy.

You're suggesting people undergo endoscopy without anesthesia? You go first, bud.

Which end are we scoping? Colonoscopy is often done without anaesthesia but tends to take longer than 2 minutes, so I'm not sure if that's what OC is referring to. It's uncomfortable, but that's ok. Scoping nose/mouth->stomach also doesn't come with any drugs, just some lube.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by elric »

lambdaone wrote: post #29
noduerme wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're suggesting people undergo endoscopy without anesthesia? You go first, bud.

Conscious sedation, which is not the same thing as general anesthesia, is often used for endoscopy: https://www.northerncarealliance.nhs.uk/patient-information/...

And sometimes it doesn't work. Patients are then given the option of going ahead without sedation, or rescheduling for general anaesthesia.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by vasco »

HerbManic wrote: post #16
hannasm wrote: post #3

Wim hof has a similar childhood story (maybe not quite as extreme)...

Wim hof has a lot of stories, hard to tell which ones are true or not unfortunately.

I believe the stories of him being convicted of domestic abuse since that was in a court

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by osigurdson »

theturtlemoves wrote: post #19

I'd be curious to read about 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 year follow-up. Party pooper warning. I'm afraid I don't have rose tinted glasses, due to personal experience with a family member with TBI (accident at age 16, 3 weeks in a coma). The aftereffects are profoundly destabilizing to his environment. I sometimes have quite a dark view of people's need to be a rescuer and celebrate the "alive!", when they don't have to deal wit…

While I don't know, I suspect the boy's parents do not share your views. He is able to ride a tricycle and improving.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by looofooo0 »

ddeck wrote: post #20
looofooo0 wrote: post #17

I am sceptical about the 147 minutes, the child could have still clinging onto the ice and just drowned a minute before the parents reached the pond.

The timeline lists "Sled tracks seen to broken bond ice, EMS called" at 16:44. He was pulled from the water at 18:57. The article text further clarifies: Parents discovered sled tracks from home onto broken pond ice through which he fell. He left the house at 16:00, which is why they give the range of 147 to 177 minutes.

Yes but ultimatively it could been 16:43 to 18:57 which is 134 Minutes.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by thunfischtoast »

theturtlemoves wrote: post #19

I'd be curious to read about 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 year follow-up. Party pooper warning. I'm afraid I don't have rose tinted glasses, due to personal experience with a family member with TBI (accident at age 16, 3 weeks in a coma). The aftereffects are profoundly destabilizing to his environment. I sometimes have quite a dark view of people's need to be a rescuer and celebrate the "alive!", when they don't have to deal wit…

I feel you, I also unfortunately have experiences with that. It has profoundly changed my view on living, especially how I want to be treated when someday I'm heavily sick.

A family member in a coma takes a heavy toll on you, emotionally and financially. They are simultaneously there and not there. If they did not write down how they want to be treated you can never make a decision where you are sure what's right, or if they even want to be kept alive while not living. Eventually, when all your savings are burned through, when you might need to sell your house, you really wonder if that's what they wanted and if all that was worth it.

For me, the decision is clear: when I'm not able to make my own decisions turn everything off and let me die.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by looofooo0 »

wahern wrote: post #21
looofooo0 wrote: post #17

I am sceptical about the 147 minutes, the child could have still clinging onto the ice and just drowned a minute before the parents reached the pond.

It seems below about ~80F you lose consciousness. This kid was nearly half that. Moreover, there have been other similar cases: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32482520/

Problem is that he could have drowned at 16:43.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by theturtlemoves »

spacedoutman wrote: post #22
theturtlemoves wrote: post #19

I'd be curious to read about 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 year follow-up. Party pooper warning. I'm afraid I don't have rose tinted glasses, due to personal experience with a family member with TBI (accident at age 16, 3 weeks in a coma). The aftereffects are profoundly destabilizing to his environment. I sometimes have quite a dark view of people's need to be a rescuer and celebrate the "alive!", when they don't have to deal wit…

I have a similar view on general anesthesia now, everyone i know(including myself) that has had operations have been permanently affected by anesthesia. Turning yourself off breaks far more than doctors realize i fear.

Oh yes, I'm in agreement with you there

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by fluoridation »

spacedoutman wrote: post #22
theturtlemoves wrote: post #19

I'd be curious to read about 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 year follow-up. Party pooper warning. I'm afraid I don't have rose tinted glasses, due to personal experience with a family member with TBI (accident at age 16, 3 weeks in a coma). The aftereffects are profoundly destabilizing to his environment. I sometimes have quite a dark view of people's need to be a rescuer and celebrate the "alive!", when they don't have to deal wit…

I have a similar view on general anesthesia now, everyone i know(including myself) that has had operations have been permanently affected by anesthesia. Turning yourself off breaks far more than doctors realize i fear.

I think if there was such a side-effect with such a commonly-used tool, someone would have noticed by now.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by casey2 »

theturtlemoves wrote: post #19

I'd be curious to read about 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 year follow-up. Party pooper warning. I'm afraid I don't have rose tinted glasses, due to personal experience with a family member with TBI (accident at age 16, 3 weeks in a coma). The aftereffects are profoundly destabilizing to his environment. I sometimes have quite a dark view of people's need to be a rescuer and celebrate the "alive!", when they don't have to deal wit…

>40-60 years

Oh shut the hell up! We are in the midst of massive technological revolution year on year especially related to biology and brain function. Yes, ALWAYS rescue someone. Treatment progresses it never stops or moves backwards.

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