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Re: Storied Colors – A catalogue of named colors

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Post by purifyingFlame »

stratts wrote: post #16
egeozcan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They may have used LLMs to design the site but IMHO the content is fine and well-sourced. Example: https://storiedcolors.com/color/blaze-orange/ Even if LLMs were used to help, someone must have spent a lot of time on making it read well. At least that's how it feels like.

Except on that page there's immediately a claim that isn't backed up by any of the citations, eg: "The hunting-safety effect has been substantial. The non-fatal hunting accident rate in the United States fell substantially over the decades following blaze-orange adoption, with state hunter-safety data consistently identifying the orange mandate as a major contributor to that decline." None of the sources have any nat…

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Re: Storied Colors – A catalogue of named colors

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Post by purifyingFlame »

zetalyrae wrote: post #4
lekevicius wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Known generative-AI crawlers are disallowed in robots.txt. This is a research catalogue assembled from primary sources; it is not training data, and a model fine-tuned on these paragraphs would launder out exactly the part — the citations — that gives the prose its value. This reads like distaste for LLMs - but generally website reads (and is designed as!) very LLMy.

If the About page said who made it, i.e. if someone was putting their reputation on the line, I might be more receptive. But the website has enough LLM design tics to make me suspicious. It's sad. I come to Hacker News to see cool stuff and when I click on a link and see something obviously put together by an LLM I feel like I've been tricked :(

Fair hit and I should have done that from the start. There is a person behind this and the About page is now updated (https://storiedcolors.com/about). Short version: I'm a technical architect who painted as a kid, stopped for years, and started this to get back into it. I do use AI to draft the entries and I'm not going to pretend otherwise but I check every one against named, non-Wikipedia sources and cut what I cant source. You shouldn't take that on faith so the methodology and the citations are there to check and there's a corrections address when I get something wrong. I totally get the "put together by an LLM" reaction on how it felt. I'd rather try and earn the trust back than argue about it.

Re: Storied Colors – A catalogue of named colors

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Post by purifyingFlame »

jgord wrote: post #20

Their VanDyke Brown looks more like a Burnt Sienna to my eyes, but that might just be my screen. You may also enjoy the Chromatopia book : https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40554590-chromatopia The author produces a very nice range of oil colors under the Langridge brand in Melbourne, downunder... its nice to keep these artisanal practices alive. Would be handy to have the standard pigment codes. Ive been gradually…

This is the kind of note I was hoping for. Standard pigment codes (PR170, PR254 etc) are a good call and I wanted a proper Color Index field and this pushes it up the list. I will also take another look at the Van Dyke Brown swatch. You may be right that it reads too close to burnt sienna. Chromatopia looks like a lovely book and thanks for the Langridge pointer, glad those artisanal makers are still going.

Re: Storied Colors – A catalogue of named colors

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Post by jcattle »

That's pretty cool. In a similar but very different vein: A few years ago I took twenty years of daily satellite imagery and computed the mean color for countries and the world https://www.landshade.com/

But in doing that you really do notice how everything concerning colors is just a bit arbitrary. You get raw reflectances from a scientific sensor on a satellite with specific spectral bands and sensitivity within those bands. And then you try and map this scientific sensor to the sensor that is your eyes, to try and emulate what we would actually see if shot up into space.

There's some really cool science around that if you're a color nerd: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S003442571...

Re: Storied Colors – A catalogue of named colors

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Post by plastic041 »

I wanted to check if the information on this page was correct. I started searching and found this site [0], which looks very similar. I thought it was made by the same person, but it's not. It's just another website designed using LLM.

One advantage of LLM is that you can quickly and easily generate a "pretty decent" website. However, there is a drawback, that there is a high chance that a page with a very similar design(and similar idea) already exists somewhere.

[0]: https://chinesecoloratlas.com/

Re: Storied Colors – A catalogue of named colors

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Post by rendx »

jcattle wrote: post #35

That's pretty cool. In a similar but very different vein: A few years ago I took twenty years of daily satellite imagery and computed the mean color for countries and the world https://www.landshade.com/ But in doing that you really do notice how everything concerning colors is just a bit arbitrary. You get raw reflectances from a scientific sensor on a satellite with specific spectral bands and sensitivity within th…

Landshade: Nice work. Would be cool to be able to find similar ones across the globe, compare selected country color profiles, etc.

Re: Storied Colors – A catalogue of named colors

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Post by jcattle »

rendx wrote: post #37
jcattle wrote: post #35

That's pretty cool. In a similar but very different vein: A few years ago I took twenty years of daily satellite imagery and computed the mean color for countries and the world https://www.landshade.com/ But in doing that you really do notice how everything concerning colors is just a bit arbitrary. You get raw reflectances from a scientific sensor on a satellite with specific spectral bands and sensitivity within th…

Landshade: Nice work. Would be cool to be able to find similar ones across the globe, compare selected country color profiles, etc.

Yes, you could do a lot more with the data. The only other thing I did was a wordle style guessing game: https://guess.landshade.com

But the data is open source, so if you want to dig around my badly documented code and raw satellite data yourself, be my guest: https://github.com/jonasViehweger/LandShade/tree/main/data

Re: Storied Colors – A catalogue of named colors

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Post by jabl »

1f60c wrote: post #10
lekevicius wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Known generative-AI crawlers are disallowed in robots.txt. This is a research catalogue assembled from primary sources; it is not training data, and a model fine-tuned on these paragraphs would launder out exactly the part — the citations — that gives the prose its value. This reads like distaste for LLMs - but generally website reads (and is designed as!) very LLMy.

"One color a day, told as it ought to be told: with its provenance , its chemistry , and the people who paid for it in poison ." is so Claude it hurts. :'D

Yes. Why the heck do LLM's produce prose like this? It's de facto standard in the narration for all these slop videos drowning YouTube.

No human writes like this, so what is the training material that has taught LLM's that this is the way to write?

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