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Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by nickff » Wed, Jun 17, 2026, 5:26 PM UTC

seviu wrote: post #20

Anthropic employees are right, but maybe this is for good. It certainly has opened my eyes. I can’t rely on using a technology that the US administration can ban at will. IMO without getting into personal thoughts about how capable the current US administration is, last Friday move sent a very powerful signal to the industry. Also I don’t think China releasing so many good models, capable to compete with Opus 4.8 and…

Are you saying that you think the US government is unpredictable and arbitrary, but that the People’s Republic of China is not? Do you remember all the PRoC’s strange and sudden policy shifts (e.g. steel, real estate, education, football/soccer, etc.)?

It seems to me that in the case of AI (as with many other modern technologies), you rely on vendor/creator support and updates to stay relevant, so the ‘next’ model matters more than the current one, and we have no idea whose next model will be open (and whose won’t).

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by Johnny_Bonk » Wed, Jun 17, 2026, 5:26 PM UTC

martythemaniak wrote: post #26

Yes, obviously. People really need to update their priors on how the US operates now. Laws are out, loyalty is in. There is an extraordinarily powerful unitary executive in whom the will of the people resides and it is the job of the government and society to work towards the will of this powerful executive. There are no checks or balances or alternative centres of power (civil, political, clerical, etc) allowed. Thi…

The most depressing part is how few people are students of basic civics, history and political science. We truly live amongst house cats that don’t know how good they have it and have begun dismantling the very house that they’ve lived properously in for so long. (Obviously not including historically and currently marginalized etc)

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by jasonlotito » Wed, Jun 17, 2026, 5:26 PM UTC

rootusrootus wrote: post #16

spullara wrote: post #2

Anthropic declares: "Mythos is too dangerous too release to the public" Proceeds to release Mythos plus safety guardrails as Fable. Amazon removes guardrails from Fable, getting access to Mythos. Government takes Anthropic's word for it and tells them to pull it until the guardrails can't be removed. They refuse. Government forces them.

Was Fable really the full Mythos model but with guardrails added? I had assumed Fable had a reduced parameter count or something, like a Sonnet to an Opus. Interesting!

No, the parent is lying. Anyone suggesting that needs to bring full receipts, but they can't. They are liars at best.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by 0xy » Wed, Jun 17, 2026, 5:26 PM UTC

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #14

spullara wrote: post #2

Anthropic declares: "Mythos is too dangerous too release to the public" Proceeds to release Mythos plus safety guardrails as Fable. Amazon removes guardrails from Fable, getting access to Mythos. Government takes Anthropic's word for it and tells them to pull it until the guardrails can't be removed. They refuse. Government forces them.

Amazon did not remove any guardrails from Fable.

What? I personally experienced Fable outright refuse to do ANY security-related tasks, including hardening code or modifying security-related features. That was a guardrail. It was bypassed.

Anthropic themselves specifically called them safeguards. [1]

"When Fable’s classifiers detect a request related to cybersecurity, biology and chemistry, or distillation, the response is automatically handled by Claude Opus 4.8 instead"

This is exactly what was bypassed. They got Fable to work on security topics.

[1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-fable-5-mythos-5

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by esafak » Wed, Jun 17, 2026, 5:26 PM UTC

seydor wrote: post #19

Trump vs anthropic Elon vs openai Trump vs elon Bezos vs anthropic When movie?

What do you need a movie for; we're living it?

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by sanderjd » Wed, Jun 17, 2026, 5:26 PM UTC

spullara wrote: post #2

Anthropic declares: "Mythos is too dangerous too release to the public" Proceeds to release Mythos plus safety guardrails as Fable. Amazon removes guardrails from Fable, getting access to Mythos. Government takes Anthropic's word for it and tells them to pull it until the guardrails can't be removed. They refuse. Government forces them.

> Amazon removes guardrails from Fable, getting access to Mythos.

This doesn't seem like an accurate description to me. I think something like "Amazon demonstrates a jailbreak of one class of Fable guardrails" would be a more accurate description.

It doesn't even really mess up your narrative to state it accurately, but your choice of a more hyperbolic statement brings into question the good faith of the narrative you're painting.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by khalic » Wed, Jun 17, 2026, 5:26 PM UTC

seviu wrote: post #20

Anthropic employees are right, but maybe this is for good. It certainly has opened my eyes. I can’t rely on using a technology that the US administration can ban at will. IMO without getting into personal thoughts about how capable the current US administration is, last Friday move sent a very powerful signal to the industry. Also I don’t think China releasing so many good models, capable to compete with Opus 4.8 and…

Yep, any American closed model is now a de facto existential risk for any company relying on them.

The latest open models are so good it’s worth the 6-8 months delayed capabilities. At least for coding

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by ifwinterco » Wed, Jun 17, 2026, 5:26 PM UTC

spelk wrote: post #28

One wonders if this might be a net positive for the world if Anthropic is forced to terminate it's non-US citizen employees. I would hope they return to their home countries with their expertise and start or join new competing frontier labs, similar to how Taiwan's homegrown semiconductor industry arose from US companies enforcing a bamboo ceiling on their Asian engineers. Taiwan was able to repatriate their national…

Indeed, forcing Europeans to stay in Europe might be the only thing that could revive the moribund European AI scene

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by jimmydoe » Wed, Jun 17, 2026, 5:27 PM UTC

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Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by tiahura » Wed, Jun 17, 2026, 5:27 PM UTC

If you manage the corner coffeeshop, and the city health director calls with an urgent matter, you take the call and assure them you'll take care of it.