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Re: Vinyl Cache and Varnish Cache

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Post by nijave » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 5:59 PM UTC

embedding-shape wrote: post #13

throawayonthe wrote: post #10

does the mysql/mariadb comparison actually make sense? mysql is not really a downstream distro of mariadb (maaybe even the opposite?) so i thought i understood the situation as presented until that paragraph

The way I remember it, was that MySQL was sold, then some time after, MariaDB was created as a fork, and you could switch between them. Then at one point MariaDB diverged sufficiently that you could no longer "effortlessly" (kinda) switch between them, by now they're separate but MariaDB's origin is still MySQL obviously.

Yes Monty started MySQL then forked when either Sun or Oracle acquired it.

My, Maria, and Max are his kids. There is MaxScale which is a L7 SQL proxy/loadbalancer

Re: Vinyl Cache and Varnish Cache

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Post by ibejoeb » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 6:00 PM UTC

jaapz wrote: post #30

ibejoeb wrote: post #29

It sounds like Varnish Cache is kind of a distribution of Vinyl Cache. It's based on the FOSS project with its own downstream patches. On another topic: > The Varnish Cache FOSS software was initiated and sponsored by the Norvegian newspaper Verdens Gang. They hired a company called “Linpro” to handle the logistics and me to write the code. > From Linpro grew the company Varnish Software > IP-Lawyers still insist tha…

> What is Varnish Cache? > Varnish Cache is a distribution of the open-source Vinyl Cache project, made for the modern cloud: ready for Kubernetes, with built-in TLS support, and a long-term-support release cadence with extra modules and tooling layered on top. ( https://www.varnish.org/index.html )

Well there you go...

Re: Vinyl Cache and Varnish Cache

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Post by youngtaff » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 6:13 PM UTC

ksec wrote: post #21

Does Fastly still uses Vinyl Cache? Wondering who else is using it as well in production.

Last I heard they were migrating to WASM based edge compute that could read Varnish configs but not sure how far they got

Re: Vinyl Cache and Varnish Cache

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Post by Sesse__ » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 7:00 PM UTC

ksec wrote: post #21

Does Fastly still uses Vinyl Cache? Wondering who else is using it as well in production.

They are using a fork, although nobody _really_ knows how up-to-date it is.

Re: Vinyl Cache and Varnish Cache

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Post by Sesse__ » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 7:02 PM UTC

Yokohiii wrote: post #11

throawayonthe wrote: post #10

does the mysql/mariadb comparison actually make sense? mysql is not really a downstream distro of mariadb (maaybe even the opposite?) so i thought i understood the situation as presented until that paragraph

mysql was pretty much the downstream thing that everybody used back then.

MySQL has never been downstream of MariaDB.

Re: Vinyl Cache and Varnish Cache

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Post by IndySun » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 7:06 PM UTC

sgarrity wrote: post #26

In Canada, we pronounce it Vinyl CachÉE.

Can you write that phonetically?

Re: Vinyl Cache and Varnish Cache

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Post by Sesse__ » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 7:07 PM UTC

evanelias wrote: post #19

stephenr wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me the biggest "unknown" with Percona is that MariaDB (the company) bought out Codership (the creators of Galera Cluster, which XtraDB Cluster is based on) and it doesn't seem to be OSS any more. I'm sure for some shops this will drive them to pay for the same feature in MariaDB cluster, but I'm more likely to just transition to MySQL Group Replication. This is my whole point about MariaDB - they are steadily maki…

I don't think your last sentence is fair. Many workloads don't need something like Galera, as standard async replication scales to extreme levels, and you can achieve excellent HA with external orchestration and/or proxies. FOSS MariaDB is definitely not toy-scale only. Oracle has also been guilty of locking modern table stakes behind the MySQL Enterprise / Heatwave pay gate, such as vector indexes and JS stored proc…

> And while they've recently announced more of this stuff will move to FOSS soon, at the same time their response rate to new bug reports has become worse than ever before, which is deeply worrying.

A huge chunk[1] of the MySQL developers were laid off (and also large amounts of QA etc.), so it's not surpising at all that they are struggling to keep the lights on. There are talks about an external group trying to form to take more ownership, but so far, your best bets are MariaDB or Postgres, depending on whether you think MySQL 5.1 was the epitome of relational databases or not.

[1] From what I gather, about 75%. In the first wave.

Re: Vinyl Cache and Varnish Cache

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Post by dxdm » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 7:43 PM UTC

sgarrity wrote: post #26

In Canada, we pronounce it Vinyl CachÉE.

Gesundheit.

Re: Vinyl Cache and Varnish Cache

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Post by Yokohiii » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 11:38 PM UTC

Sesse__ wrote: post #35

Yokohiii wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

mysql was pretty much the downstream thing that everybody used back then.

MySQL has never been downstream of MariaDB.

I am talking pre mariadb times.

Re: Vinyl Cache and Varnish Cache

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Post by Sesse__ » Fri, Jun 19, 2026, 2:04 PM UTC

Yokohiii wrote: post #39

Sesse__ wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MySQL has never been downstream of MariaDB.

I am talking pre mariadb times.

Are you maybe confusing “downstream” with “mainstream”? Being “downstream” of a product means that you are a derivative of that product (your upstream), taking in basically all of their code and adding your own on top.