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Re: Rio de Janeiro's "homegrown" LLM appears to be a merge of an existing model

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Post by dghlsakjg »

bachmeier wrote: post #24
zinodaur wrote: post #10

Oh no, someone is profiting off of their work without proper attribution!?!?

"Their work"? First you had the original content creators that did 99.99% of the work. Then you had the US companies bundle it up into a frontier LLM. Then "they" did the "work" of using the US model as a foundation for their own. So in the sense of doing 0.00001% of the actual work that went into their product, sure. I'd say it's more like someone forking a Linux distro, adding a few themes and fonts, and then compl…

That’s the joke.

Re: Rio de Janeiro's "homegrown" LLM appears to be a merge of an existing model

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Post by dofm »

Planktonne wrote: post #14
internet2000 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attribution isn't the relevant part. Lying about your lab's capabilities is.

That's also something all the AI companies have been doing.

Lying about model capability is right now the lingua franca of the cloud AI business model, almost; they yes-and each other's lies because they are in a position of needing to generate interest, including going as far as needing to trigger regulatory capture.

(It's not news to anyone who has worked in sales-led businesses that salespeople are prone to believing the claims of other salespeople, I guess).

Re: Rio de Janeiro's "homegrown" LLM appears to be a merge of an existing model

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Post by harikb »

bachmeier wrote: post #24
zinodaur wrote: post #10

Oh no, someone is profiting off of their work without proper attribution!?!?

"Their work"? First you had the original content creators that did 99.99% of the work. Then you had the US companies bundle it up into a frontier LLM. Then "they" did the "work" of using the US model as a foundation for their own. So in the sense of doing 0.00001% of the actual work that went into their product, sure. I'd say it's more like someone forking a Linux distro, adding a few themes and fonts, and then compl…

It is only a problem if you claim it to be an independently developed OS with no attribution to base

Re: Rio de Janeiro's "homegrown" LLM appears to be a merge of an existing model

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Post by bwilliams18 »

bachmeier wrote: post #24
zinodaur wrote: post #10

Oh no, someone is profiting off of their work without proper attribution!?!?

"Their work"? First you had the original content creators that did 99.99% of the work. Then you had the US companies bundle it up into a frontier LLM. Then "they" did the "work" of using the US model as a foundation for their own. So in the sense of doing 0.00001% of the actual work that went into their product, sure. I'd say it's more like someone forking a Linux distro, adding a few themes and fonts, and then compl…

That was the joke of the parent comment.

Re: Rio de Janeiro's "homegrown" LLM appears to be a merge of an existing model

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Post by carlosjobim »

ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #15

One funny thing about incompetence is that they don't have the competence to know that their incompetence is straightforward to verify by a competent person.

Why would they care? They get their salaries and pensions and bonuses, and the tax payer is footing the bill.

Re: Rio de Janeiro's "homegrown" LLM appears to be a merge of an existing model

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Post by JoshStrobl »

bachmeier wrote: post #24
zinodaur wrote: post #10

Oh no, someone is profiting off of their work without proper attribution!?!?

"Their work"? First you had the original content creators that did 99.99% of the work. Then you had the US companies bundle it up into a frontier LLM. Then "they" did the "work" of using the US model as a foundation for their own. So in the sense of doing 0.00001% of the actual work that went into their product, sure. I'd say it's more like someone forking a Linux distro, adding a few themes and fonts, and then compl…

That joke really went over your head, huh...

Re: Rio de Janeiro's "homegrown" LLM appears to be a merge of an existing model

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Post by Lucasoato »

unrvl22 wrote: post #2

The municipality of Rio de Janeiro (via its IT company IplanRIO) released Rio-3.5-Open-397B, presented as a homegrown Qwen3.5 fine-tune that beats comparable open models on benchmarks. The linked issue argues it's actually a weighted merge of ~60% Nex-N2 Pro + ~40% Qwen3.5-397B-A17B - Nex-N2 having been released about a week earlier.

So the problem isn’t in the missing attribution to Qwen, but with the fact that they didn’t mention Nex-N2 Pro right?
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