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DNI Gabbard Reveals Evidence of U.S. Taxpayer-Funded Global Biolab Program

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Re: DNI Gabbard Reveals Evidence of U.S. Taxpayer-Funded Global Biolab Program

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Post by collinfunk »

zmgsabst wrote: post #18
collinfunk wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole "biolab" thing is pretty common Russian propaganda [1]. Unsurprising to hear Gabbard parroting it yet again. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_bioweapons_conspiracy_...

Victoria Nuland linked the Ukraine labs to bio weapons during a Senate hearing, in response to a question by Rubio. Rubio: “Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?” Nuland: “Ukraine has biological research facilities...” https://www.c-span.org/clip/senate-committee/senator-rubio-q... Why would you mention the labs in connection to a question specifically about bio weapons?

> Why would you mention the labs in connection to a question specifically about bio weapons?

Which situation do you think looks worse, admitting to having biological research facilities (unrelated to weaponry), or having Russians invade, take over one of said research facilities, and run with whatever story they want to justify their war?

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Post by [deleted] »

collinfunk wrote: post #30
thin_carapace wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is it really that big of a jump to connect gain of function research and bioweaponry? to be fair the world genuinely believes covid spontaneously manifested directly next to a US funded covid research site, so perhaps the gap is really that wide. edit: clarifying that russia can still use the truth as a propaganda weapon via selective omission (in this case focusing on ukraine)

> is it really that big of a jump to connect gain of function research and bioweaponry? Have you seen any evidence for the bio-weaponry claim? > to be fair the world genuinely believes COVID spontaneously manifested directly next to a US funded COVID research site, so perhaps the gap is really that wide. You would need more evidence than proximity to prove that.

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Post by thin_carapace »

collinfunk wrote: post #30
thin_carapace wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is it really that big of a jump to connect gain of function research and bioweaponry? to be fair the world genuinely believes covid spontaneously manifested directly next to a US funded covid research site, so perhaps the gap is really that wide. edit: clarifying that russia can still use the truth as a propaganda weapon via selective omission (in this case focusing on ukraine)

> is it really that big of a jump to connect gain of function research and bioweaponry? Have you seen any evidence for the bio-weaponry claim? > to be fair the world genuinely believes COVID spontaneously manifested directly next to a US funded COVID research site, so perhaps the gap is really that wide. You would need more evidence than proximity to prove that.

my initial claim is a conceptual link, there is absolutely nothing stopping a virus research facility from being steered in any particular direction by its funding sources. my second claim is a deduction - if a virus were to evolve anywhere on earth, what are the odds that it were to have evolved directly next to a facility specifically designed to engineer that virus? my personal answer to that question leads me not to require evidence here, terrible method of argument but it is what I believe

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Post by anonymousiam »

yieldcrv wrote: post #19
breezybottom wrote: post #15

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Gabbard is not far-left. Even when she was a Democrat she was rubbing elbows with Hindu nationalists and Steve Bannon.

you're misunderstanding if you think the appointee's affiliation is relevant she had one job to a niche of people and catered to it

She released this information (which had already been disclosed elsewhere) on her way out the door, so I would not assume that this release was wanted or approved by the Trump administration.

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

zmgsabst wrote: post #16
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #6

"Gain-of-function research (GoF research or GoFR) is medical research that genetically alters an organism in a way that may enhance the biological functions of gene products. This may include an altered pathogenesis, transmissibility, or host range, i.e., the types of hosts that a microorganism can infect. This research is intended to reveal targets to better predict emerging infectious diseases and to develop vaccin…

Gain-of-function has no demonstrated health benefit (and if you believe COVID was serial passage of a SARS variant in humanized mice, per the EcoHealth grant proposal, significant negative effect). Facui is a bureaucrat associated with a number of scandals — and has little demonstrated competence as a medical professional. Being an administrator in a healthcare agency doesn’t make you an expert on medicine.

The problem with ragging on a famous dude is all of the documentation that disproves a half-hearted insult (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci#Career) I know you're not gonna read the page. But it says he not only practiced as a healthcare professional for years, he's also widely known in the medical community for making multiple scientific breakthroughs in medicine. He is, in fact, an expert in medicine.

The idea that gain-of-function has no demonstrated benefit is the same as saying there's no demonstrated benefit to going to the moon or mars. Science is not a business. It does not need to show you a YOY return. It's done in order to discover new information, which may have a benefit, or may not.

But in fact, Gain-of-fuction has already given us real scientific discoveries that have improved health outcomes. There are multiple of them documented here (https://web.archive.org/web/20241207202814/https://pmc.ncbi....) and a simple Google search outlines more.

Now, here's the really interesting thing. In 2014, Obama put a moratorium on Gain-of-function (https://www.science.org/content/article/us-halts-funding-new...). Then, in 2017, Trump lifted the moratorium and continued Gain-of-function funding (https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/dual-use-research/feds-lift-gain-...). So Trump's cronies are actually complaining about the program that their predecessors started up.

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Post by general1465 »

burkaman wrote: post #10

I don't understand what we're supposed to be seeing here. The "new evidence" is four slides, one of which is titled "Ukraine Labs: Web of Connections to U.S. BW Defense Industry" but just has a list of logos that have nothing to do with the defense industry. The rest of the slides are related to the US funding research into dangerous diseases, which is not a secret and seems like a good thing to be doing. It also not…

Just Gabbard trying to push forward Russian propaganda. We have Ukrainian super soldiers being bred in US biolabs, or we can have Ukraine using black magic to fight invasion.

The biolab conspiracy is so old, that nobody even cares.

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-media-accuse-ukraine-using-...

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Post by SanjayMehta »

digi59404 wrote: post #25
SanjayMehta wrote: post #20

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Hinduism is not a cult. Absolutely not. Science of Identity Foundation, an offshoot of Hinduism, and it is a cult. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_of_Identity_Foundation

Reminds me of the pope and his cult; what's the difference apart from scale.

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Post by SanjayMehta »

unmole wrote: post #24
SanjayMehta wrote: post #20

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The cult GP is referring to is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_of_Identity_Foundation Tone down the indignation.

By this logic the pope is the head of his cult. What's the tipping point to move from cult to sect?
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