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Historic co-determination helps monasteries navigate digital change

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Re: Historic co-determination helps monasteries navigate digital change

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Source? Proofs? Do communism and secular humanism count as "religions" here?

The Crusaides and literally all of British colonialism. Do you not know anything about history?

The East India Company was motivated by religion?

You'll have a hard time justifying that unless you're some sort of hardcore Jewish cryptosupremacy conspiracy theorist.

Re: Historic co-determination helps monasteries navigate digital change

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? Proofs? Do communism and secular humanism count as "religions" here?

The Crusaides and literally all of British colonialism. Do you not know anything about history?

The Crusades and colonialism can’t be distilled down to single causes, but even if you tried, religious reasons would not be the main ones. Political and financial motivations were far bigger factors in both.

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It was also behind unspeakable acts of massive cultural destruction, so there's that.

Oh if religion wasn't responsible for "massive cultural destruction" then mankind would have invented something else to do it (whatever is meant by "massive cultural destruction").

"We want their stuff" is a pretty effective travesty generator for sure.

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Whats is always interesting about monestic life and its emergence (minus light sabers) is that society across cultures has created spaces for people who dont fit. This need has been recognized and supported for thousands of years.

And there hasn’t really been a replacement for that in modern times. This is a problem.

There are still places like Slab City, California (the desert town with no laws). That kind of place is not for me though. I like neighbors who mind their own business, but I still need some amount of law and order.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slab_City,_California

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The monks likely have the time to think about implementation, and feeling like they’re part of an institution that transcends them and that they value for its own sake, they likely have an incentive to invest effort into maintaining and improving it. Both of these are unlike, say, corporate environments, where the core work uses up almost all available time and where most people are looking mostly to extract somethin…

That also sound a lot like the Amish. Take the time to think about implementation, advantages, disadvantages and the societal impact of a technology, before committing to it.

They have a reputation as medieval peasants, but they are not afraid of technology. They are just extremely picky. They build furniture in factories and sell them on a website. If you want durable, it is well worth the extra price.

https://www.amishfurniturefactory.com/

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I can barely figure out what this article is about because the language is like molasses.

It stands to reason that disciplined, dopamine starved monks find modern engagement economy computers and software somewhat engaging, as they are probably like recreational drugs to enquiring bored minds

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Your comment (and some others) have me imagining an alternate reality where the vatican runs the equivalent of github and all major FOSS infrastructure is maintained by religious orders. (There's probably a controversy where the catholic and islamic GPL equivalent licenses are incompatible for inane reasons.)

You joke, but, leaving religion out of it, it's plausible that if the want long lived infrastructure that's maintained with integrity, it may be that tithing of some description is part of the solution. Currently the closest we have is patron, but most of those are still part of hustle culture rather than the supporters feeling a long term obligation.

I know that there’s a pretty overwhelming antithesis about religion, hereabouts (there’s a lot of valid reasons, but, in my experience, it tends to originate from personal animus), but some things that you get from organized religion, are a sense of community, a very long view, and fairly strict rules about personal integrity and behavior.

There’s a lot less of the cutthroat competition, than you’ll see in industry and academia, and many folks plant trees that they will never use for shade.

Personally, I’m not religious, but have many close friends that are, and I see this mindset in action.

I also worked for an old-fashioned Japanese company, which had many of the same features.

Even though many people see these as conservative (or weak) traits, they actually work well, for development of new things.

Big things take time, and teams.

Time is supplied by people taking the long view, and making long-term plans, and teams benefit from people not stabbing each other in the back, sublimating personal goals, in favor of those of the collective, and trusting each other, and their management.

Re: Historic co-determination helps monasteries navigate digital change

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Whats is always interesting about monestic life and its emergence (minus light sabers) is that society across cultures has created spaces for people who dont fit. This need has been recognized and supported for thousands of years.

And there hasn’t really been a replacement for that in modern times. This is a problem.

FWIW, "lay monasteries" and hermitages exist, and there are some religious ones which are not strict about who wants to join, the Bose monastic community[0] comes to mind talking of christianity, but there's plenty for other religions.

[0] https://www.monasterodibose.it/en/

Re: Historic co-determination helps monasteries navigate digital change

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Whats is always interesting about monestic life and its emergence (minus light sabers) is that society across cultures has created spaces for people who dont fit. This need has been recognized and supported for thousands of years.

Monasteries follow strict rules. Good for those who fit these rules but monasteries are far from a place for people who don’t fit. I may have missed something though - I don’t see how is that related to the linked article.

Fit into wider society. If someone has sensory issues, then a monastery would be a more peaceful place. Some people like set routine as well.
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