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There Is(Ǝ) – Such That (∋)

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Re: There Is(Ǝ) – Such That (∋)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't quite what's going on. A better reading might be "which is a"; "Ǝx s.t. x∈ℕ" (there exists an x such that x is in the naturals) is just being shortened to "Ǝx∋ℕ" (there exists an x in the naturals), or there exists an x which is in the naturals. It's not really that different from the normal usage.

If that’s it, why is it using ∋ rather than ∈? I would expect “Ǝx∈ℕ”.

Oh, doh! I'd missed that.

Yeah, that's...an unusual choice.

Re: There Is(Ǝ) – Such That (∋)

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't quite what's going on. A better reading might be "which is a"; "Ǝx s.t. x∈ℕ" (there exists an x such that x is in the naturals) is just being shortened to "Ǝx∋ℕ" (there exists an x in the naturals), or there exists an x which is in the naturals. It's not really that different from the normal usage.

> Ǝx∋ℕ "There is an x such that the set of natural numbers is a member of x"?

Yeah, my bad. My eyes autocorrected it.

Re: There Is(Ǝ) – Such That (∋)

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post #24

I didn't get it at all

I don't either, maybe my mathematical maturity is not high enough to be able to work at the level of abstraction that can see a connection between ravens and "vector of hours".

I also played around with the canvas and couldn't draw anything, I tried taking the dot product of a "raven" and a "crow", piping it to a "sun", and didn't see anything. I would have expected something since a raven and crow are similarish so should have a non-zero dot product. But for that matter a dot product of a raven and a raven piped to a sun doesn't show anything either so I'm just completely lost.

Re: There Is(Ǝ) – Such That (∋)

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I don’t think I have ever seen ∋ used to mean “such that” so I was very confused until I got to the explanation (as it were; why CONTAINS AS MEMBER is being used to mean “such that” is never explained).

Same. I recalled pipe being used for "such that". But [per wikipedia]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_mathematical_symbo... ), that's specifically "set-builder notation", and the _last one_ of the twelve instances of the string "such that" on the page (though I don't know if they're ordered by usage, "alphabetically", or what).

Yeah in my experience (and on my bookshelf), I see “:”, “|”, “s.t.” And the words “such that” or “with” (this often works in context for lots of properties) and I have literally never seen that inverse membership sign before.

Not a huge fan of quantifier symbols in published notation. For example I use backwards E all over the place in my notes, but in everything I typeset I say “there exists”. Mathematics is supposed to be written in complete sentences anyway so you are going to have some words, so this doesn’t seem a particularly useful two words to turn into a symbol.

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