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Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by rusk »

mrcwinn wrote: post #9

The EU is only interested in interoperability and centralization of data so they can put their citizens under surveillance. I hope Apple continues to exit this market on the edges.

Ah yes the well known EU equivalent of the CIA, NSA

The one that’s so secret it’s not in any of the treaties that the sovereign nations that comprise the EU signed up for and implemented in line with their own democratic processes

That agency

Meanwhile they struggle to put together a border patrol, but advanced pan European surveillance apparatus that isn’t run by the US. Yeah bro

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by nicce »

FinnKuhn wrote: post #21
nicce wrote: post #14

I wonder how ChatGPT or Claude are actually GDPR compliant, but Apple has problems with Siri.

Because this is not related to the GDPR at all, but the Digital Markets Act (DMA). It's purpose is to enable competition and not allow big tech to abuse their market dominance (e.g. in this case Apple not wanting to grant any competition the same access to MacOS so that they don't have to face competition for Siri AI).

Oh. Could not access the Reuters post.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by matchbok3 »

FinnKuhn wrote: post #6
graphime wrote: post #3

Good. EU has the right to privacy. Apple also has the right to not conduct business in EU. If EU doesn’t like it, they can build their own sovereign software.

This doesn't have anything to do with privacy. The DMA mandates that Apple allows for competition, which (if you believe in capitalism) is good for the market overall. It's essential to stop big tech from abusing their market dominance. However Apple would prefer to not allow competition for their digital products on any of their hardware.

We already have choice - people can buy many different types of phones. Nothing about this is about choice or the free market. They want special treatment.

Apple is free to do what they want. The EU can go and try and build their own iPhone (good luck with that).

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by gmueckl »

afavour wrote: post #2

Apple said "hey, can we not comply with the law", the EU said no, so it didn't launch. Seems pretty straightforward to me. I can see why Apple might want to request an 18 month exemption, there's clearly extra work required to comply with EU regulations. But on the other hand it also feels like a straightforward play for consumer sympathy: let them get used to using it every day for 18 months, then pressure the EU to…

Throwing infinite money at engineering problems doesn't move deadlines arbitrarily.

But Apple's position here is actually really wild: Apple claims to protect user privacy all the time. But they can't offer a product in a major jurisdiction that has actually meaningful privacy laws? Didn't they consider that while designing the product?

This is quite the contradiction.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by rdtsc »

afavour wrote: post #2

Apple said "hey, can we not comply with the law", the EU said no, so it didn't launch. Seems pretty straightforward to me. I can see why Apple might want to request an 18 month exemption, there's clearly extra work required to comply with EU regulations. But on the other hand it also feels like a straightforward play for consumer sympathy: let them get used to using it every day for 18 months, then pressure the EU to…

This has the "do you even know who you're talking to?" air from Apple. Everyone should comply but not us, we're too cool and too damn important.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by remus »

perlgeek wrote: post #28

Apple tries to market its product as privacy-focused, yet the privacy of their new AI features is so bad they don't meet EU standards? Is that the message here?

I am not very sympathetic to apple here, but I think the legislation in question is more to do with competition than data privacy.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by eykanal »

afavour wrote: post #2

Apple said "hey, can we not comply with the law", the EU said no, so it didn't launch. Seems pretty straightforward to me. I can see why Apple might want to request an 18 month exemption, there's clearly extra work required to comply with EU regulations. But on the other hand it also feels like a straightforward play for consumer sympathy: let them get used to using it every day for 18 months, then pressure the EU to…

Google eng mgr here. I've worked on a few projects related to compliance with various government policies. This isn't "assign a two-pizza team to it, will be done in a quarter"; these types of compliance efforts can mean completely redoing multiple core systems to handle privacy, wipeout, audit, reporting, per-location policies, etc etc. These efforts can involve hundreds to thousands of people for multiple years.

Sure, there's a messaging component to this. However, any company that isn't trying to just skirt the law will aim to do this sort of thing correctly, and it's an enormous effort.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by frizlab »

a_paddy wrote: post #23

What could Apple/Siri be asking for an exemption from that Google/Gemini has already complied with? Accessing iCloud photos to edit them? Parsing email etc?

google/gemini has not complied properly to DMA in android AFAIK
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