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Solar Energy Saves Europeans $135M a Day

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Re: Solar Energy Saves Europeans $135M a Day

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Post by luke5441 »

moffkalast wrote: post #24
photonair wrote: post #11

With oil prices and wars, the adoption for renewables and not just solar should accelerate to wean the world off oil.

I've half jokingly said it before, but I think by overall impact Trump and Putin's sheer chaos is doing an order of magnitude more to transition the EU to green energy than anything else that was done deliberately to fight climate change lmao. People don't give a fuck until gasoline is 2€ per liter.

Taxing/preventing extraction of crude oil upstream would always have been the better solution.

Re: Solar Energy Saves Europeans $135M a Day

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Post by toomuchtodo »

reedf1 wrote: post #5

$135M a day is almost nothing (~$50b/yr) for an area with combined GDP of ~$30T. Edit: People's general understanding of the scale of economies is genuinely terrifying to witness.

This capital saved (~$50B/year) can be recycled into more renewables, storage, transmission, and EVs to further drive down future petroleum demand, creating even more savings into the future. Stocks vs flows. Price of clean tech keeps rapidly falling, investment will continue to ramp. Think like a flywheel.

Re: Solar Energy Saves Europeans $135M a Day

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Post by runtime_terror »

ndhbxyd wrote: post #22
photonair wrote: post #11

With oil prices and wars, the adoption for renewables and not just solar should accelerate to wean the world off oil.

It will happen when we have better weather forecasting models. If it gets randomly cloudy for 5 days this month and 17 days next months screws up planning for factories, farms, datacenters etc.

Batteries, having a mixed grid of renewables, and new advances in nuclear solves this

Re: Solar Energy Saves Europeans $135M a Day

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Post by sfn42 »

ndhbxyd wrote: post #22
photonair wrote: post #11

With oil prices and wars, the adoption for renewables and not just solar should accelerate to wean the world off oil.

It will happen when we have better weather forecasting models. If it gets randomly cloudy for 5 days this month and 17 days next months screws up planning for factories, farms, datacenters etc.

Across a large enough area it's always sunny somewhere. And clouds don't interfere as much as you'd think. Add in wind, hydro, nuclear and some gas and you can handle pretty much anything just fine.

Re: Solar Energy Saves Europeans $135M a Day

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Post by lopis »

runtime_terror wrote: post #33
ndhbxyd wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will happen when we have better weather forecasting models. If it gets randomly cloudy for 5 days this month and 17 days next months screws up planning for factories, farms, datacenters etc.

Batteries, having a mixed grid of renewables, and new advances in nuclear solves this

Batteries help, but they still cost way more than direct solar and wind. We still need way more solar and wind to use directly.

Re: Solar Energy Saves Europeans $135M a Day

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Post by gritzko »

ndhbxyd wrote: post #22
photonair wrote: post #11

With oil prices and wars, the adoption for renewables and not just solar should accelerate to wean the world off oil.

It will happen when we have better weather forecasting models. If it gets randomly cloudy for 5 days this month and 17 days next months screws up planning for factories, farms, datacenters etc.

I always post this https://www.rte-france.com/en/data-publications/eco2mix/powe...

Re: Solar Energy Saves Europeans $135M a Day

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Post by whimsicalism »

runtime_terror wrote: post #33
ndhbxyd wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will happen when we have better weather forecasting models. If it gets randomly cloudy for 5 days this month and 17 days next months screws up planning for factories, farms, datacenters etc.

Batteries, having a mixed grid of renewables, and new advances in nuclear solves this

batteries are not yet competitive with fossil fuel

Re: Solar Energy Saves Europeans $135M a Day

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Post by whimsicalism »

sfn42 wrote: post #35
ndhbxyd wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will happen when we have better weather forecasting models. If it gets randomly cloudy for 5 days this month and 17 days next months screws up planning for factories, farms, datacenters etc.

Across a large enough area it's always sunny somewhere. And clouds don't interfere as much as you'd think. Add in wind, hydro, nuclear and some gas and you can handle pretty much anything just fine.

you can handle it with solar & gas alone
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