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The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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Post by cultofmetatron »

boxed wrote: post #7
zekrioca wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems some AI propaganda has already worked on you.

It's strange that people look at the millions dead from starvation from communism, and the quite recent destruction of Venezuela, and still think communism can somehow work this time .

millions died due to exploitative labor practices by colonialist invaders exploiting the resources and cheap labor potential of the people in it yet I don't see you aknowledge that.

communism wasn't behind american slavery or the Belgian occupation of the congo.

Not a fan of communism but I dont' think unfettered capitalism is much better. both systems benefit a minority of people at the expense of the majority largely because they allow power to be concentrated in the hands of a few.

At this point, anyone spouting vitriole about communism and socialism like they are the same thing just come off as lacking basic capacity to understand nuance at best and mentally ill at worst.

Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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Post by throwaway290 »

petesergeant wrote: post #15
geysersam wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are lots of socialist countries in the world that are doing fine.

Is this where we pretend a bunch of rich market-capitalist European countries are “socialist” or are you talking about China and Vietnam?

PRC is way more capitalist than Norway or some other European countries. Approximately, one is capitalist dictatorship and the other socialist democracy.

Yes PRC government was originally propped by USSR but that's it. If you look at labor protection laws, social security, etc it's nowhere near.

Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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Post by vintermann »

zuzululu wrote: post #24

This is odd. They have the budget to run with real journalists and outlets. Is this some reverse-psychology move? Where they want people to see that its AI and thus not take it seriously? What aim does that achieve?

It's not necessarily easy to find people who will want to work with that, especially when you were the Trump administration.

I mean there used to be a fair amount of government loyalists remaining, working for outlets like Voice of America who, probably, sincerely thought they were doing a good thing. But they butted head with the Trump administration hard.

For all loyalists there is a grifter to true believer ratio, and for the current admin it's bad. Why pay a hard-to-find true believer to make actually convincing propaganda, when you're a grifter yourself and have the opportunity to take the budget for yourself and let an LLM half-ass it?

Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

zuzululu wrote: post #24

This is odd. They have the budget to run with real journalists and outlets. Is this some reverse-psychology move? Where they want people to see that its AI and thus not take it seriously? What aim does that achieve?

Real journalists / content writers have pesky morals and tend to become whistleblowers when they've had enough.

Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

When it comes to traditional spycraft, I'm of the opinion that everyone does it and everyone has to. Everyone does it. It's of tremendous value. And it doesn't particularly hurt us when we get caught.

But the First Amendment is a cultural touchstone for America. Even if everyone else does this nonsense, it's not of demonstrable value and it does hurt us when we get caught like this. Unilateral disarmament isn't usually an option. But it is, I think, when it comes to this.

I think we should pass a law banning undisclosed social media, psyop and other unattributed propaganda campaigns among (a) allies and (b) other democracies (as judged by a neutral source).

Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

oobeoob11 wrote: post #9

Well, yes, obviously. Did you notice there is also one (rather, a whole ecosystem) targeting Russia, one for Iran, one for China, one for EU, one for Japan, etc?

> one (rather, a whole ecosystem) targeting Russia, one for Iran, one for China

I'm fine with this.

> one for EU, one for Japan, etc?

I'm not okay with this. Wouldn't lump the two together.

Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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Post by ashdksnndck »

geysersam wrote: post #12
boxed wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strange that people look at the millions dead from starvation from communism, and the quite recent destruction of Venezuela, and still think communism can somehow work this time .

There are lots of socialist countries in the world that are doing fine.

Pretty much every remotely developed country is capitalist. The wealthiest country with a non-capitalist economy is Cuba or Turkmenistan, depending on where you draw the line.

Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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Post by bigfudge »

petesergeant wrote: post #15
geysersam wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are lots of socialist countries in the world that are doing fine.

Is this where we pretend a bunch of rich market-capitalist European countries are “socialist” or are you talking about China and Vietnam?

You can’t have it both ways though. The policies enacted in Northern Europe would definitely be agreed on as communist/socialist by the majority of mainstream American politicians, Democrats included.

Re: The Pentagon is running an AI propaganda mill targeting Latin America

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Post by krige »

throwaway290 wrote: post #26
wmwragg wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a significant difference between socialism and communism, Americans seem to purposely conflate the two, they are not the same.

Smells like "no true scotsman" fallacy because they are nearly synonyms. Nobody in USSR could tell the exact difference or at least there was no consensus, and you are expecting modern Americans to do better huh? This basically sums it up: > According to the Encyclopædia Britannica, "Exactly how communism differs from socialism has long been a matter of debate, but the distinction rests largely on the communists' adh…

That's entirely orthogonal to the fact that Americans thend to label literally anything and everything they don't like as communist. Especially any sort of social(ist) policy good for the people and bad for the 1%.
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