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Found elixir intriguing and so Phoenix. Two reasons I put it aside again are: You need Beam and the Elixir. I find that really weird, because I'm used to just the language like in Python, Java, C, Rust. Not something underneath it, too. There is no debugger. The way to debug Elixir is to print stuff to the console, like 40 years ago. No thanks.
Found elixir intriguing and so Phoenix. Two reasons I put it aside again are: You need Beam and the Elixir. I find that really weird, because I'm used to just the language like in Python, Java, C, Rust. Not something underneath it, too. There is no debugger. The way to debug Elixir is to print stuff to the console, like 40 years ago. No thanks.
Oh shit here I go (and learn Elixir for a whole year (again)) again. I love everything about Elixir, but Elixir constantly makes me doubt myself like no other language. My brain isnt made for functional stuff, but this makes me want to try again. Sucks that it's not really a beginner friendly ecosystem and usually, when having questions answered, people assume you already know a lot about the language.
Comments like this always confuse me as object oriented programs riddled with state are much harder to reason about to me.
Once you taste Elixir/Erlang, there is no going back to the madness.
Oh shit here I go (and learn Elixir for a whole year (again)) again. I love everything about Elixir, but Elixir constantly makes me doubt myself like no other language. My brain isnt made for functional stuff, but this makes me want to try again. Sucks that it's not really a beginner friendly ecosystem and usually, when having questions answered, people assume you already know a lot about the language.
Comments like this always confuse me as object oriented programs riddled with state are much harder to reason about to me.
Found elixir intriguing and so Phoenix. Two reasons I put it aside again are: You need Beam and the Elixir. I find that really weird, because I'm used to just the language like in Python, Java, C, Rust. Not something underneath it, too. There is no debugger. The way to debug Elixir is to print stuff to the console, like 40 years ago. No thanks.
That is just wrong. > You need Beam and the Elixir. I find that really weird, because I'm used to just the language like in Python, Java, C, Rust. Not something underneath it, too The beam is a VM. You get that Java requires a VM too right? It’s called JVM for a reason. And Python requires an interpreter. > There is no debugger. The way to debug Elixir is to print stuff to the console, like 40 years ago. That is fals…
I'd like to do step by step but I cannot plug the debugger to VScode from inside a docker container.
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With Elixir specifically it was the learning experience I had with Phoenix. I didn't understand how a Phoenix app booted, didn't know where to edit my config. Syntax like: ``` socket "/ws/:user_id", MyApp.UserSocket, websocket: [path: "/project/:project_id"] ``` Elixir gives you too much freedom on how to write something on a syntax level which really annoyed me.
I love Elixir and Phoenix, but Phoenix especially uses a lot of compile-time macros and it can be a steep learning curve when you need to pull apart the skeleton framework to figure out how things are actually wired. I pretty frequently find myself needing to open up the source to understand what's actually going on, the docs aren't bad but it often feels like they assume a lot of existing familiarity with phoenix. I…
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Java has the JVM the same way that Elixir has Beam/OTP/...
Read again... Here's what you need to do for elixir: Download and run the Erlang installer Download and run the Elixir installer Here for Java: Download and run the Java SDK And for Python: Download and run the Python installer
Download SDKMan/Jenv
Install the version(s) of Java you need for your projects
Make sure your JAVA_HOME environment variable is set
Ensure your IDEs locate the correct Java home
Compared to all that, Elixir's two installers are trivial.
And if you have a competent package manager, you can just tell it to get Elixir and it'll handle Erlang for free.
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Comments like this always confuse me as object oriented programs riddled with state are much harder to reason about to me.
The confusing state riddling here happens in the background as your whole app basically is a state. The thing that really throws me off with Elixir is having to handle (possibly) hundreds of thousands of processes. Doing this correctly seemed impossible to learn for me.
Sounds like there is some foundational knowledge of Elixir that you miss and everything seems more confusing than it should be. To me writing a 'server' in Elixir is orders of magnitude easier than doing it in Python, Rust or C++.
As someone else suggested, bring your concerns to the Elixir Forum and surely someone will clarify them for you
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Java has the JVM the same way that Elixir has Beam/OTP/...
Read again... Here's what you need to do for elixir: Download and run the Erlang installer Download and run the Elixir installer Here for Java: Download and run the Java SDK And for Python: Download and run the Python installer
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https://pragprog.com/titles/lhelph/functional-web-developmen... don't let the title fool you - the first half of the book is just elixir over the past 8 years this is the book i've used to ramp back up on elixir and it works like a charm every time - i've never finished it for me, a mark of a good programming book in this tutorial-project style is that I have started it half a dozen times and never finished it becaus…
Yea I've worked through Elixir in Action and appreciate all book recommendations. My issue is, tutorial style books rarely cover security related concerns.