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What I've learned about the trombone

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Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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Eh I played trombone in high school and it is very forgiving. You can vibe play a trombone.

I suppose one's ear gets sharpened fast, out of necessity - but I recoil at imagining what the other band members have to get through meanwhile. The process for violin is the same though.

You're in an ensemble with many other people also learning the intricacies and peculiarities of their instruments, that's the process.

Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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"The trombone is the only brass instrument in a classical orchestra" is a statement that requires further support.

It’s slightly confusingly phrased, but the full sentence is: > The trombone is the only brass instrument in a classical orchestra […] where the main mode of pitch control is by moving the tuning slide. Which is correct.

The trumpet, french horn, tuba, and euphonium also rely on the tuning slide to control pitch, so that's not an accurate statement.

Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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If you play piano you should find a tuner who does something better than equal temperament. When you accept that changing keys will change the tone of the song you can get a lot better music. You don't need to go to just temperament (and since you still need octave stretch it wouldn't be ideal anyway - though if you can live with playing music in exactly one key it is nice). I tuned my piano to EBVTIII and I like it.…

Do you get wolf tones?

not with EBVTIII. Some temperaments would, but Bach showed it was possible to do without. (Bach did not use equal temperament)

Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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It’s slightly confusingly phrased, but the full sentence is: > The trombone is the only brass instrument in a classical orchestra […] where the main mode of pitch control is by moving the tuning slide. Which is correct.

The trumpet, french horn, tuba, and euphonium also rely on the tuning slide to control pitch, so that's not an accurate statement.

Indeed, a trumpet has one slide for tuning only and two more slides that are used while playing, so it's not even technically correct.

Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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"The trombone is the only brass instrument in a classical orchestra" is a statement that requires further support.

It’s slightly confusingly phrased, but the full sentence is: > The trombone is the only brass instrument in a classical orchestra […] where the main mode of pitch control is by moving the tuning slide. Which is correct.

Their terminology is odd. The thing you move while playing is generally called the hand slide. There's nearly always a separate tuning slide located in the crook of the bell section.

(Some relatively rare instruments like the Shires Alto do "tuning in slide" with a mechanism for fine adjustment in the hand slide).

If you're also moving the tuning slide in the middle of a piece you're probably a bass trombonist doing the now-impossible glissando (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWJPeA_1g48) in the Bartok concerto for orchestra.

Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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I loved playing trombone in school. It's such a simple mechanism, it invites a lot of curiousity, and this piece captures that well. Instruments like piano, violin, and guitar are very visual, essentially wysiwyg. Instruments like saxophones, clarinets, flutes, take a long to mentally map and reason through (this combination of keys achieves note X). Trumpets, and other 3 valve instruments map exactly to trombone pos…

> But learning trombone, and then mapping that knowledge to a euphonium, trumpet, tuba, etc, gives you a knowledge about that instrument (eg ok if note X is 1st valve, and note X+1 is 1+2, then i know adding 2-to-1 adds a half step, because position 3 is a half step from position 4).

I don't think intervals are unique to trombones. If you understand that X+1 is a half step above X, and you know note X is 1st valve and note X+1 is 1+2, then you know adding 2-to-1 adds a half step even if you've never seen a trombone.

Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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The trumpet, french horn, tuba, and euphonium also rely on the tuning slide to control pitch, so that's not an accurate statement.

Indeed, a trumpet has one slide for tuning only and two more slides that are used while playing, so it's not even technically correct.

Yep. A basic trumpet has more slides than a basic trombone.

Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s slightly confusingly phrased, but the full sentence is: > The trombone is the only brass instrument in a classical orchestra […] where the main mode of pitch control is by moving the tuning slide. Which is correct.

The trumpet, french horn, tuba, and euphonium also rely on the tuning slide to control pitch, so that's not an accurate statement.

Do you mainly control pitch with the tuning slide or the valves on those instruments? I think you mainly control pitch with the valves and only supplement with a tuning slide for certain notes, depending on the instrument, and therefore the statement is accurate.

Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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Do you get wolf tones?

not with EBVTIII. Some temperaments would, but Bach showed it was possible to do without. (Bach did not use equal temperament)

JS Bach did not use a piano either.

Because so much of music was written around the organ (e.g. vocal music sung in tune with a church organ) tuning was what it was.

The well tempered clavier is exceptional because it is an exception to the vast majority of JS Bach’s work.

Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trumpet, french horn, tuba, and euphonium also rely on the tuning slide to control pitch, so that's not an accurate statement.

Do you mainly control pitch with the tuning slide or the valves on those instruments? I think you mainly control pitch with the valves and only supplement with a tuning slide for certain notes, depending on the instrument, and therefore the statement is accurate.

Mainly the valves. The tuning slides help with a number of things, including the fact that the harmonics (notes above the first ocatave) are not precisely in tune with the fundamentals. A trumpet typically has a trigger lever or a loop for your finger on one or two of the tuning slides.

You use it as needed. If you're playing a really fast passage, you'll likely skip it, but shorter notes are harder to place the precise pitch anyway.

If you really want to see tuning slides in action, find a video of a good tuba soloist.

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