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Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by doctorpangloss »

bpodgursky wrote: post #24
shawnhermans wrote: post #9

What really gets to me is how big tech isn't even pretending anymore to serve society. They clearly feel superior to the rest of us and entitled to rule.

If you frame it this way in your mind you will be surprised when people pick surveillance over public disorder. If you don't like that world (I don't either) you can't bury your head in the sand about the problems it is solving, you need a "No, but... " framing where you give answers that actually work. There is a ground-level appeal of the China-style panopticon because it delivers public order and clean streets. La…

Haha, ground level appeal in a one party government? How would you know? Of course someone likes China's system, but who? How do you know?

Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by jasonvorhe »

Georgelemental wrote: post #27
shawnhermans wrote: post #9

What really gets to me is how big tech isn't even pretending anymore to serve society. They clearly feel superior to the rest of us and entitled to rule.

I think some of that is just Larry Ellison

And Google, Meta, etc. None of the big companies habe your interests at heart.

Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by gobdovan »

pstuart wrote: post #5

Look how well it worked for cops! I'm not suggesting we get rid of their bodycams, but it's easily gamed. It's one thing to be rich and enjoy the luxuries afforded by that, but to buy dominance over the very lives of others is when the angry mob retaliation is entirely justifiable.

Exactly, cops can impose force on you and their jobs requires them to do it. If they wouldn't have body cams, it would be hard to see if coercion was justified or not. Surveilling powerless folks works in the other direction. It only serves to make them easier to discipline and teaches them that deviations from approved behaviour will be deterministically punished. And I also don't believe anyone is currently paid to act on their best behaviour as a simple citizen. Although this kind of monitoring works quite well for children under 6, you don't want paternalistic institutions, since you will never outgrow them.

Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by giancarlostoro »

Georgelemental wrote: post #27
shawnhermans wrote: post #9

What really gets to me is how big tech isn't even pretending anymore to serve society. They clearly feel superior to the rest of us and entitled to rule.

I think some of that is just Larry Ellison

There's definitely people who blindly praise and romanticize China and ignore how dystopian all the monitoring systems there are, there is essentially no privacy. Even chat apps are infiltrated or Chinese run in some way, shape, or form.

Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by daveguy »

lucasmullens wrote: post #4

> Ellison's warning came during an hour-long Q&A at an Oracle financial analyst meeting in September 2024. AI has been moving too fast to care about what some billionaire's opinion on it was 2 years ago.

It wasn't a warning, it was a boast.

Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by hootz »

shawnhermans wrote: post #9

What really gets to me is how big tech isn't even pretending anymore to serve society. They clearly feel superior to the rest of us and entitled to rule.

Sometimes I wonder if all the hype cycles around cryptocurrencies, AI and other stuff were basically just tech powertripping really hard.

Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by unglaublich »

ikonoklast wrote: post #14

Is Larry confessing that he's not in his best behavior whenever he's not being recorded?

Most people are not, indeed. So this is the crux of religion: the "god" watches you, and will punish or reward you. Now social media and governments takes over that role.
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