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OpenAI frontier models and Codex are now available on AWS

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Re: OpenAI frontier models and Codex are now available on AWS

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Post by harrall »

ai_fry_ur_brain wrote: post #18
cortesoft wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contracts and the force of law?

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Laws and rules don’t hold anyone accountable. Anyone can say anything and then break that trust the next second.

Instead you trust your best friend because you have known them for 15 years and seen them in enough situations. It’s long term observation and predictability they ultimately gives trust.

AWS has been around 20 years and has never once shown a sign that that they would sell customer data. Could they still try? Sure, in the same way they my friend who hates seafood his entire life could suddenly flip 180 and love it. Yeah I guess it’s possible.

Re: OpenAI frontier models and Codex are now available on AWS

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Post by Eridrus »

ykl wrote: post #10

If you've used AI coding models in a large corporate setting, you'll know that a lot of big corporate deployments basically require using AWS Bedrock for two simple reasons: 1. Large companies tend to already have an existing relationship with AWS, which makes things way easier to go through vs. setting up a new vendor relationship 2. Large companies tend to have strong internal requirements about making sure that in…

To go a step further, the reason it's often impossible to add a new vendor if that you've signed a bunch of contracts with your customers saying you're not going to send their data to other vendors in all sorts of various flavors.

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Post by bijowo1676 »

xingped wrote: post #30
trollbridge wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also don't really stand to benefit from doing so, unlike basically everyone else in this space. They have access to a ridiculous amount of private customer data and so far have not shown any predilection to misusing that access.

To take an easy example that has actually had lawsuits I can link to, you must be unfamiliar with the lawsuits against Amazon for misusing sellers' data in order to undercut them with their own products... https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/13-bln-uk-lawsuit-acc... There's zero reason to "trust" Amazon about anything. (And yes, I know the retail and AWS sides of the company are different, but it's still the same…

this is not related to AWS, but merely to amazon's retail business and their sellers know and sign up for the deal when they sell via amazon.

every single retail company does this, they allow suppliers to sell the product using retails's infrastructure, and then retailer turns around and create private label products using sales data (Costco's Kirkland Signature, Walmart's Great Value, are just some examples)

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Post by azinman2 »

650REDHAIR wrote: post #23
rho138 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is one certain bedrock data isn’t being shuttled to external providers?

Bezos and Altman pinky-promised and are super trustworthy.

Seems like trusting AWS with your data has been a good bet for a long time. They wouldn’t have the size/scale otherwise.

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Post by fragmede »

bijowo1676 wrote: post #33
xingped wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To take an easy example that has actually had lawsuits I can link to, you must be unfamiliar with the lawsuits against Amazon for misusing sellers' data in order to undercut them with their own products... https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/13-bln-uk-lawsuit-acc... There's zero reason to "trust" Amazon about anything. (And yes, I know the retail and AWS sides of the company are different, but it's still the same…

this is not related to AWS, but merely to amazon's retail business and their sellers know and sign up for the deal when they sell via amazon. every single retail company does this, they allow suppliers to sell the product using retails's infrastructure, and then retailer turns around and create private label products using sales data (Costco's Kirkland Signature, Walmart's Great Value, are just some examples)

Yes, but Kirkland's signature comes from the same factory. If I'm the factory owner and Costco vis going to guarantee me sales albeit at a slightly lower margin, so long as I slap a different sticker on it, that's different than from Amazon finding out which of my products sells best and then gets someone else to rip it off so I don't get paid anything.

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Post by SXX »

650REDHAIR wrote: post #23
rho138 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is one certain bedrock data isn’t being shuttled to external providers?

Bezos and Altman pinky-promised and are super trustworthy.

Bezos is not in AI gold rush. AWS is shovel rental.

Also unlike Altman they are trustworthy - a lot of Amazon competitors do run on AWS for decades.

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Post by kylemaxwell »

Every time somebody questions why you might "trust" AWS (or Azure or GCP or whatever), or why you'd pay this premium, I realize they are not accustomed to working in enterprise environments.

In my case, I work at a large enterprise with strict data governance built into customer contracts, and (partly related, partly not) our own governance concerns. Using vendors where you not only have infosec permission, but they are also listed as data processors in our contracts with our customers is the way not to get fired and sued.

If I'm playing around at home, with my own code and data, I can do whatever I want. But with my employer and customer? Absolutely not. It's the same reason we don't use whatever is the flavor of the month frontier model is.

Side hustles and startups just have an entirely different set of constraints and considerations.

Re: OpenAI frontier models and Codex are now available on AWS

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Post by kopirgan »

rho138 wrote: post #12
ykl wrote: post #10

If you've used AI coding models in a large corporate setting, you'll know that a lot of big corporate deployments basically require using AWS Bedrock for two simple reasons: 1. Large companies tend to already have an existing relationship with AWS, which makes things way easier to go through vs. setting up a new vendor relationship 2. Large companies tend to have strong internal requirements about making sure that in…

How is one certain bedrock data isn’t being shuttled to external providers?

Having worked with lots of companies, I can say that trust is there. But true test is competitors of Amazon. Does Walmart use them? Ebay? Although not in exact same business.
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