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Re: KDE at 30

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Post by F3nd0 »

YorickPeterse wrote: post #29
chekibreki wrote: post #3

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I lament the times when open source projects were open source software projects instead of political platforms for people who arrogantly think that their private political opinion is important enough to overshadow the project they participate in. This will undoubtedly create tensions and will lead to fewer donations, thus having a negative impact on KDE.

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I think it’s a little different to simply have the mascot than it is to make their introduction an officially endorsed celebration of ‘pride month’ and have them ‘presiding over KDE’s 30th anniversary celebrations’. If something has a greater chance to ‘create tensions’, it’s probably the latter, for better or worse.

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Post by retardsinoss »

sham1 wrote: post #25
chekibreki wrote: post #3

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I lament the times when open source projects were open source software projects instead of political platforms for people who arrogantly think that their private political opinion is important enough to overshadow the project they participate in. This will undoubtedly create tensions and will lead to fewer donations, thus having a negative impact on KDE.

The Free Software community has always been political. Where have you been? Introducing a non-binary mascot for KDE is no more or less political than for example Richard Stallman demanding that printer drivers should be free, back in the 1980s. And same way the use and preference of the term "open source" over "free software" -- or vice versa -- is also very political because it depends on if one wants to go with the…

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Post by retardsinoss »

enragedcacti wrote: post #22
chekibreki wrote: post #3

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I lament the times when open source projects were open source software projects instead of political platforms for people who arrogantly think that their private political opinion is important enough to overshadow the project they participate in. This will undoubtedly create tensions and will lead to fewer donations, thus having a negative impact on KDE.

It's Pride Month and the organization is doing Pride things, its not that complicated. > This will undoubtedly create tensions and will lead to fewer donations, thus having a negative impact on KDE. "undoubtedly" is absurd here. Does KDE really have a stable of consistent transphobes donating? Do they outweigh additional donations from supporting the LGBTQ community? Regardless, if the only point of KDE were to make…

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Post by retardsinoss »

voidfunc wrote: post #16
chekibreki wrote: post #3

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I lament the times when open source projects were open source software projects instead of political platforms for people who arrogantly think that their private political opinion is important enough to overshadow the project they participate in. This will undoubtedly create tensions and will lead to fewer donations, thus having a negative impact on KDE.

I used to think this way but with the rise of fascism pretty much everywhere I think it's important to know what I am consuming and what they support now. Is it perfect? No. Does it piss some people off? Probably, and I don't care. Also it's a cute fucking lizard.

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Re: KDE at 30

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Post by basisword »

chekibreki wrote: post #3
Kye wrote: post #2

The master of ceremonies is a proper creature: https://floss.social/@kde/116673618808097094 edit: I appreciate the quality of discussion below, so far.

I lament the times when open source projects were open source software projects instead of political platforms for people who arrogantly think that their private political opinion is important enough to overshadow the project they participate in. This will undoubtedly create tensions and will lead to fewer donations, thus having a negative impact on KDE.

Since when was someone's gender or sexuality a "political opinion"?

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Post by chekibreki »

sham1 wrote: post #30
chekibreki wrote: post #26

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Your comparison is dishonest and wrong. printer drivers are a piece of software, sexual orientation is completely disconnected from software or technology.

This implies that the difference actually matters. In both cases there is a political goal behind the actions. Yes, printer driver software itself is very different from sexual and gender orientation, but wanting for the printer drivers to be free is a political statement and principle, and so is the uplift of LGBTQ+ people and celebrations of PRIDE month. Both are political despite being about distinct subject matte…

Yes, it matters. You can try to distract and do as much mental gymnastics as you want but everyone rational can clearly see that one thing is doing politics for software (free drivers, open source, no DRM, …) and the other is about virtue signaling about subjects that are completely unrelated.

Btw, feel free to label me however you want (others did already), which shows that they have no arguments and resort to pidgeonholeing and name calling.

Re: KDE at 30

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Post by hparadiz »

Gualdrapo wrote: post #11
pelagicAustral wrote: post #9

I will donate my entire pension if they make it so I can have a Windows 2000 theme that actually works and doesnt require me to hack a dozen files each time they push and update.

I think you will be able to achieve that when Union is released. I hate SVG theming in Plasma so much that I root for Union to be successful

Have an agent do it and have it write out what it did to an md file as guidance for each update. To be fair though if you configure things correctly it should never break. Mine hasn't been broken in years.

Re: KDE at 30

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Post by sham1 »

chekibreki wrote: post #36
sham1 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This implies that the difference actually matters. In both cases there is a political goal behind the actions. Yes, printer driver software itself is very different from sexual and gender orientation, but wanting for the printer drivers to be free is a political statement and principle, and so is the uplift of LGBTQ+ people and celebrations of PRIDE month. Both are political despite being about distinct subject matte…

Yes, it matters. You can try to distract and do as much mental gymnastics as you want but everyone rational can clearly see that one thing is doing politics for software (free drivers, open source, no DRM, …) and the other is about virtue signaling about subjects that are completely unrelated. Btw, feel free to label me however you want (others did already), which shows that they have no arguments and resort to pidge…

> Yes, it matters.

Does it actually matter? And if so, why?

> You can try to distract and do as much mental gymnastics as you want but everyone rational can clearly see that one thing is doing politics for software (free drivers, open source, no DRM, …) and the other is about virtue signaling about subjects that are completely unrelated.

Okay, but you would still have to answer a really important question. Why does it matter?

Let's say that it's virtue signalling, for the sake of the argument (although people tend to not know what virtue signalling actually is, and just claim any public acknowledgement of one's values as such, which is incorrect).

So, why does one being virtue signalling and the other not being such actually matter? Does it actually change the messaging in any meaningful way? Does it make it less legitimate or whatever?

> Btw, feel free to label me however you want (others did already), which shows that they have no arguments and resort to pidgeonholeing and name calling.

I wasn't going to, but thank you for the invitation!

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