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MCP is dead?

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Re: MCP is dead?

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I'll kick myself for not remembering, but there was a fantastic article which suggested that MCP works at org level when unified, safe, access to internal utility APIs need to be given to non-technical staff who do use internal agent tools. Codify your workflow(s) via skills and share across instances, anything that needs context aware API access should be mcp...

Exactly right. Co’s like Runlayer are growing like wild exactly for this reason. Without a central control plane MCP is a minefield.

hadn't heard of runlayer, but it does make sense. I'm a huge advocate of skills based on the company/process or project owners perspectives and workflow habits rather than using skills.sh or similar. You will end up cosplaying as someone elses perspective and wonder why you don't understand it..

Re: MCP is dead?

#32

The article has no date on it, but says deferred tool loading is a recent update that occurred after the article was written. Deferred tool loading was added in Nov 2025: https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/advanced-tool-use So these numbers are at least 7 months out of date. Why is this being posted now?

Deferred tool loading is not part of MCP. It's a Claude API special parameter that most other LLM APIs do not support.

Re: MCP is dead?

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I run the team at OpenAI that's responsible for the ChatGPT App Store, Codex plugins, and all things MCP. The thing that all these "MCP is dead" posts are missing is that whether or not MCP is used as a transport protocol is actually completely irrelevant. The reason MCP isn't dead is because practically ~every company on the planet is building an MCP server. I know this because we interact with all of them. Most of…

You failed to describe what value the MCP protocol provides.

If all of these companies spent equivalent time writing a CLI for agents to consume as they spend on MCP servers, would they be any worse off in terms of agents being able to interact with their products?

Re: MCP is dead?

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I run the team at OpenAI that's responsible for the ChatGPT App Store, Codex plugins, and all things MCP. The thing that all these "MCP is dead" posts are missing is that whether or not MCP is used as a transport protocol is actually completely irrelevant. The reason MCP isn't dead is because practically ~every company on the planet is building an MCP server. I know this because we interact with all of them. Most of…

I agree. Mcp might be useless in a personal scenario but it absolutely plays a role of service infrastructure in organizations. It is another form of api for those abilities that are not wrapped with rest api yet. But when they are wrapped in mcp, it seems not necessary to wrap them into rest api or cli again in near future. So these mcp services survive. The only thing matters is how to import these mcp services int…

Unless you also want humans to also interact with your tools.

That’s covered in the article: a human can modify the commands generated by the agent, or vice versa, to debug problems or transfer knowledge.

Re: MCP is dead?

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> Using existing CLI directly: No context wasted on tool definitions Can someone explain this to me? I've seen claude code try to run a not-well-known package and it basically shot in the dark a command, noticed that failed, then ran the help command for the cli tool to get a list of commands and what they do. How is that different than passing the tools with an MCP? Like how are we saving context?

The usual problem is companies write an MCP server with 50 different tools, and each one has a schema, description, etc. Say each tool is 150 tokens, that's 150 * 50, or 7500 tokens, dumped into the beginning of every session. Compared to a text file that gets loaded on demand with command-line tool examples, so you still get close to the same amount of context, but you can control what tool definitions you pull in.

The other thing is the agent gets the entire MCP API response dumped into context as a tool response in JSON, which can be a lot. Compare that to shell commands where agents often `head` or `tail` or `grep` the response (which I kinda hate, but it does save tokens).

It also depends on whether the agent loads them on-demand or not (most modern agents do), and whether your MCP has a ton of tools or not. If your MCP only has 2 tools, and the responses aren't big, it's really not that much context.

The other thing that doesn't get talked about is the non-determinism of shell one-liners. There is a lot more non-determinism in shell tool calls; the AI can mess up commands, options, arguments. It can incorrectly filter output, miss output, miss return status, which results in re-running calls, polluting context, making results worse. Compare that to MCP calls which are more likely to succeed because they have a schema, well-defined errors, etc. Do you want less token use or more reliable results?

The thing is, you don't have to pick a side. I personally use both MCPs and CLIs at different times in different ways. Often I'll have the AI write a small script to do many calls (sometimes with tools, sometimes with libraries) which saves tokens, allows me to review, and is more deterministic.

Re: MCP is dead?

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I run the team at OpenAI that's responsible for the ChatGPT App Store, Codex plugins, and all things MCP. The thing that all these "MCP is dead" posts are missing is that whether or not MCP is used as a transport protocol is actually completely irrelevant. The reason MCP isn't dead is because practically ~every company on the planet is building an MCP server. I know this because we interact with all of them. Most of…

It's not 'who is building' but 'who is using' that's the concern. AI is a bandwagon tech, a lot of people will 'build because others are' adhering to an ostensible standard. Most of the people that I know are moving away from MCP in favour of skills where the advantage of MCP goes away if the REST API is clear enough. Also - I'm sorry to say but MCP management on Codex (and Claude) is just really bad. Everything from…

OpenAI should hire you.

Re: MCP is dead?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

MCP seems like what you'd do when you want to encapsulate and share a skill+script in a standard way.

personally if i have the need to move a skill/script, etc. to another one of my machines, i'll make a git repo for them (if they aren't already on git)

This was one of the first ideas me and my team had for sharing skills and scripts. The problem is this is a very "why Dropbox and not FTP" answer.

The second you utter the word git, you may have lost 90% of your audience - depending on their background, of course. MCPs are a lot more non-tech friendly

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