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How long until AI automates all cognitive labor?

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Re: How long until AI automates all cognitive labor?

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The current HN submission title ("AGI timelines shift with whichever lab is dominant") is very bad. It is neither the title of the article nor is it the thrust of the content. The title of the article is "How long until AI automates all cognitive labor?" The main point of the article is summarized by its intro: "Recently, though, I noticed that many great researchers have now published two or more precise forecasts,…

Author here, I agree, I'd be happy if admins want to change the title of this submission to the title of the piece.

Re: How long until AI automates all cognitive labor?

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post #25

> The overlapping AGI definition I use here is "Most purely cognitive labor is automatable at better quality, speed, and cost than humans". That's a poor definition. Nowhere have I seen cheapness as being a requirement to count as AGI. If we have something that can do everything people can do and more, but it costs a lot means it's not AGI?

If it's merely human equivalent but somehow costs a lot more than actual humans, then it's actually pretty marginal until the cost comes down. There are a lot of humans. So you could technically have AGI without entering a true AGI era. "95% as good as an average Harvard graduate across the board, but it costs $5 million/year to run" is impressive and scientifically interesting, but not economically transformative. B…

Well, let's look at someone like Einstein. Just for argument's sake let's say he has a flat salary demand of $5 million dollars. It's not cost effective to hire Einstein to write your CRUD apps in this situation. That doesn't mean there isn't somewhere that he would have a value of $5 million.

Re: How long until AI automates all cognitive labor?

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> The overlapping AGI definition I use here is "Most purely cognitive labor is automatable at better quality, speed, and cost than humans". For some of these researchers, saying they use this definitions is a bit of a stretch, but I included everyone who I judged as close enough to be informative. Seems "AGI" is on the same level as "art" or "love" in that everyone knows what we're talking about but no one can nail d…

I have no idea why this "AGI is not even well defined" meme gained so much traction recently. AGI is something that can do everything better than humans. Write a novel, seduce someone, prove a theorem, fix a pipe, whatever. And it's clear right now we don't have it.

It's been a big problem for a while. The big Metaculus question about AGI has depends on the game "Montezuma's revenge" (!), and there have been many debates about this going back to at least 2020: https://www.metaculus.com/questions/3479/date-weakly-general...

Re: How long until AI automates all cognitive labor?

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The current HN submission title ("AGI timelines shift with whichever lab is dominant") is very bad. It is neither the title of the article nor is it the thrust of the content. The title of the article is "How long until AI automates all cognitive labor?" The main point of the article is summarized by its intro: "Recently, though, I noticed that many great researchers have now published two or more precise forecasts,…

You're right, just updated.

Original title took one framing from the back half of the post (3 update cycles that can loosely be called the "ChatGPT era, then xAI/Meta/Gemini era, then Anthropic era"), but definitely not the point here. Thanks for flagging

Re: How long until AI automates all cognitive labor?

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post #30

> The overlapping AGI definition I use here is "Most purely cognitive labor is automatable at better quality, speed, and cost than humans". That's a poor definition. Nowhere have I seen cheapness as being a requirement to count as AGI. If we have something that can do everything people can do and more, but it costs a lot means it's not AGI?

Author here, I drew on this from AI 2027. Yes, a very-expensive AGI, e.g. $1 million / day to simulate a smart human, would be a huge deal. But it would have meaningfully different effects than a cheap one. Here's one definition AI 2027 used [1]: "Superhuman coder (SC): An AI system for which the company could run with 5% of their compute budget 30x as many agents as they have human research engineers..." [1] https:/…

I've got no problem with your concept, and even think it's useful. I just don't think that concept and AGI are the same thing. Economically useful has no relation to what has been called AGI before.

Re: How long until AI automates all cognitive labor?

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Amodei still predicts 2028, the same year when we'll have full self driving and Mars settlements. So far all he has is this little code stealing application that could be replaced by git clone and sed for stripping the license. The times before the Internet when Scientology people had to go into the streets to recruit people were nice. I wish we could put him and his ilk on some Claudology remote island, cut all Inte…

The timelines you’re quoting are too short but “ai is just git clone and sed” is not a good faith argument in 2026.

Re: How long until AI automates all cognitive labor?

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One of my reports just sent me a giant design doc that Claude enthusiastically generated packed with plausible looking technical detail. Unfortunately the problem it's trying to solve is completely misguided and we shouldn't be doing it at all. So I'd say as answer to the question posed by this title: a while.

Re: How long until AI automates all cognitive labor?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea why this "AGI is not even well defined" meme gained so much traction recently. AGI is something that can do everything better than humans. Write a novel, seduce someone, prove a theorem, fix a pipe, whatever. And it's clear right now we don't have it.

You make a good point that not having it is easy to spot. But what precisely would flip the switch? Seducing someone for example, how often would that have to work? On all people? Maybe that was just thrown out as an example but it points to how subjective these goal posts are.

This problem was inherent even in the original turing test. Is it AI if it fools just one person? Or does it have to fool everybody?

Re: How long until AI automates all cognitive labor?

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One of my reports just sent me a giant design doc that Claude enthusiastically generated packed with plausible looking technical detail. Unfortunately the problem it's trying to solve is completely misguided and we shouldn't be doing it at all. So I'd say as answer to the question posed by this title: a while.

>Unfortunately the problem it's trying to solve is completely misguided and we shouldn't be doing it at all

Isn't that like 90% of project plans by pre-LLM managers too?

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