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AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

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Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#31
Folks feel outrage when companies start charging for things that were once free.

Okay, but what if you run a company whose business model no longer supports giving away free stuff? How can you transition? What would users consider less outrageous?

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#32
Pretty sure this 'article' was written by an LLM, having scraped the HN discussion on here from 4 days ago. Nothing new there apart from a clickbait title and a ton of ads.

Link to my comment, so that I don't repeat myself: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48256417

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#34

Folks feel outrage when companies start charging for things that were once free. Okay, but what if you run a company whose business model no longer supports giving away free stuff? How can you transition? What would users consider less outrageous?

It’s still free on Windows. Your argument doesn’t have legs to walk on.

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#35
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm even surprised they have so much of the console market

I imagine it's due to having had decent enough GPUs and decent enough CPUs, from a single vendor. If you want the platform to be x86 but not AMD then your only other choice is Intel, but they've only recently started making high performance GPUs. So then you need another vendor for the GPU, and your only choice is Nvidia. A lot simpler, cheaper and predictable to go with a single vendor for both I imagine?

AMD also had the strongest offering for GPU and CPU using the same memory with the same address space. That allows you to switch between CPU and GPU processing for the same data, without paying the cost of moving the data to and from the GPU. Similar to what we now have on Apple silicon

They tried to push the same into the desktop market with their APUs, where it was mostly ignored. But console games only target a couple hardware configurations, making it viable to take advantage of such hardware features

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#36
AMD is not a good company. They stopped innovating after Intel was put down. Except, now Intel has govt backing while AMD will face significantly more competition from not only x86 but arm. Stock price says otherwise but I think they had more than enough time to catch up to Nvidia and simply refused to compete.

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#37

It's long been said: "AMD never misses a chance to miss a chance." In this case, the chance to trash its reputation with customers.

Non-paying users aren’t customers, though, so they must view all this outrage seems irrelevant. Which suggests that they view free-tier Linux users as significantly less likely to ever pay for its use. That matches my understanding of the (non-Steam) Linux as a miserly and demanding target market, so I don’t really fault them for the choice — especially given how brutally expensive it is to support the IDIC of Miscellaneous Linuxes. Kind of surprised they haven’t just withdrawn free support for anything but Steam Linux, in order to lower their costs (and to produce a ‘free’ build that anyone can run privately but doesn’t interop at all with enterprise). Maybe they want it to be a ‘shareware trial’ for enterprise? Or perhaps they just haven’t thought of it yet.

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#38

Folks feel outrage when companies start charging for things that were once free. Okay, but what if you run a company whose business model no longer supports giving away free stuff? How can you transition? What would users consider less outrageous?

Basic Vivado is the bare minimum to develop for their hardware. A large amount of functionality is still locked away behind paid IP.

Most of the revenue comes from the IP cores.

A common business model for companies like this is to enable developers to learn their tools cheaply, so that when they develop something for their employer, they're more likely to reach for those tools/ecosystems and have the employer pay for those tools.

This just cuts out beginner/hobbyist FPGA devs from using industry standard tooling.

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#39
post #13

Large company again makes local decision without considering the effects outside that single product line. I wonder how many Linux GPU sales their decision to penalize Linux on their FPGA line will cost them.

Very few, entreprise users (aka volume) will pay the license, hobbyists will pirate it if need be. AMD doesn't want to do support for the hobbyists for free, that's all.

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#40
Exactly why we zero asic is making Platypus devices open bitstream and all tooling foss from day one...to protect the world against future evil/dumb version of ourselves.

https://www.zeroasic.com/platypus https://www.zeroasic.com/projects/wildebeest https://www.zeroasic.com/projects/logik

Of course we don't have silicon yet...so nobody here cares. I think a lot of people forget that Xilinx spent $10B+ develop their awesome devices. I figure we can do it with 1/10th of that.;-)

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