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Pentagon puts building blocks in place for Cuba invasion

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Re: Pentagon puts building blocks in place for Cuba invasion

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mindslight wrote: post #25
rayiner wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was actually surprised about that in the other direction. Police consistently poll in the top 3 most trusted organizations in the country. I would have thought ICE would get the benefit of that sentiment. But in the Harvard-Harris polling above, police are +39 net favorability, while ICE is -6. The lower polling on ICE is odd because, as a policy issue, deporting all illegal immigrants (not just ones who have commi…

For starters they mainly don't. The whole reason TV personality leadership is en vogue is because most people don't actually think through the implications of what they're buying into. I sure wish they did! But also, it's quite straightforward to envision a different ICE carrying out its goal slower, more deliberately, with transparency and legal accountability. There's zero need for them to operate as a masked terro…

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Re: Pentagon puts building blocks in place for Cuba invasion

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Post by rayiner »

pstuart wrote: post #26
mindslight wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might not run afoul of yours, but I assume that deploying domestic terrorists to attack American cities impinges upon most people's sense of morality in a way that attacking foreign countries (unfortunately) does not. This puts it in the second category I mentioned.

After the killings in Minnesota I tried reaching out to a MAGA acquaintance I've tried to engage with to find any sort of common ground (so far without any success). I was ignored, and I'm assuming that he's been taught that those were domestic terrorists and got what they deserved.

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Re: Pentagon puts building blocks in place for Cuba invasion

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Post by palmotea »

jeisc wrote: post #28

the USA soft power stopped working so they resorted to offshore warfare to force the non compliant governments into lock step

> the USA soft power stopped working so they resorted to offshore warfare to force the non compliant governments into lock step

When has US soft power ever worked with Cuba?

Re: Pentagon puts building blocks in place for Cuba invasion

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Post by mindslight »

rayiner wrote: post #32
pstuart wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After the killings in Minnesota I tried reaching out to a MAGA acquaintance I've tried to engage with to find any sort of common ground (so far without any success). I was ignored, and I'm assuming that he's been taught that those were domestic terrorists and got what they deserved.

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It would help if these fundamental disagreements were ever explained rather than just vaguely handwaved. Is this disagreement about whether governments should be subservient to the People, and the idea of Constitutional rights and the rule of law in general? Or is it more philosophical like the people who were killed are now in the afterlife so their deaths aren't really a big deal? Or is it less universal like the people who were killed are of a different tribe so their being killed is right and just? Those are the avenues I can think of. If I am missing one please volunteer it!

Re: Pentagon puts building blocks in place for Cuba invasion

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Post by tzs »

nirui wrote: post #29
mindslight wrote: post #3

Let's try some 4-D chess. What is the overall plan here? Open up multiple wars-of-choice to settle decades old vendettas held by aging boomers, deplete the United States' stockpile of weapons, close up the suitcase operation when the People finally get wise to the treachery, and then abscond to China where they already call Trump the "Nation Builder" ? Meanwhile Big Tech is hoping their panopticon and AI drones will…

> and then abscond to China I'm a Chinese, from what I learned, you probably don't see the situation clearly. The problem is influence. America wants to solve the Cuba (and Iran) problem since very long ago, and right now, while China is busy patching up their economic slop/mismanagement and Russia is trapped in Ukraine, is simply the best time to do so. With Cuba is cleared out, the Americas continent will be cleare…

There is no "Cuba problem" that needs to be solved.

Re: Pentagon puts building blocks in place for Cuba invasion

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Post by tim-tday »

nirui wrote: post #29
mindslight wrote: post #3

Let's try some 4-D chess. What is the overall plan here? Open up multiple wars-of-choice to settle decades old vendettas held by aging boomers, deplete the United States' stockpile of weapons, close up the suitcase operation when the People finally get wise to the treachery, and then abscond to China where they already call Trump the "Nation Builder" ? Meanwhile Big Tech is hoping their panopticon and AI drones will…

> and then abscond to China I'm a Chinese, from what I learned, you probably don't see the situation clearly. The problem is influence. America wants to solve the Cuba (and Iran) problem since very long ago, and right now, while China is busy patching up their economic slop/mismanagement and Russia is trapped in Ukraine, is simply the best time to do so. With Cuba is cleared out, the Americas continent will be cleare…

Taiwan. That’s the reason these little low value wars and erosion of soft power are ill timed, ill considered and ultimately supremely destructive to our relevance and influence in the world.

But, good news for China!

Re: Pentagon puts building blocks in place for Cuba invasion

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Post by jeisc »

palmotea wrote: post #34
jeisc wrote: post #28

the USA soft power stopped working so they resorted to offshore warfare to force the non compliant governments into lock step

> the USA soft power stopped working so they resorted to offshore warfare to force the non compliant governments into lock step When has US soft power ever worked with Cuba?

the USA still has a military base there and also took in a lot of boat people
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