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Lombardy increases charges for the construction of data centres in green areas

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Re: Lombardy increases charges for the construction of data centres in green areas

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Yeah agriculture is bad for the environment, but at least it feeds us to keep us alive, so we can say it's worth it. Datacenters don't. They don't even create that many jobs like a factory for instance so we can say the mass employment offsets the environmental damage.

The services provided by a data center do provide jobs. My job for one, and I'm guessing a majority of posters here too.

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Re: Lombardy increases charges for the construction of data centres in green areas

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> After bribing people to abandon the agricultural sector for decades What? A quarter of EU expenditure is spent on agricultural subsidies, i.e. directly paying people to be farmers.

I imagine they're thinking of late 19th century. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Lombardy increases charges for the construction of data centres in green areas

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If your position is that farmers in the EU or Italy specifically have no lobby then you could not be more wrong.

Throwing money at farmers to keep them in the country is, like, the main purpose of the thing, and more than a quarter of the budget is spent on it (this is not a recent development, either).

Re: Lombardy increases charges for the construction of data centres in green areas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah agriculture is bad for the environment, but at least it feeds us to keep us alive, so we can say it's worth it. Datacenters don't. They don't even create that many jobs like a factory for instance so we can say the mass employment offsets the environmental damage.

Tens of millions of acres of agricultural land goes to things like production of corn ethanol. It is disingenuous to pretend we need this land to feed anybody. We have vastly more arable land than is needed to keep people from starving, even when used inefficiently to produce things like cattle feed.

Maybe in the US, but farmland is quite scarce in Lombardy.

Re: Lombardy increases charges for the construction of data centres in green areas

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Datacenters need cheap energy, something no region in Europe is having in abundance (except maybe Norway, Sweden, and Finland). I don't think Lombardy was seeing too much DC construction. It's just typical green politics. Forever backwards. Sure, people feel somewhat AI-fatigued, but blocking the future won't play out nicely for Italy or Europe in general.

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Re: Lombardy increases charges for the construction of data centres in green areas

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah agriculture is bad for the environment, but at least it feeds us to keep us alive, so we can say it's worth it. Datacenters don't. They don't even create that many jobs like a factory for instance so we can say the mass employment offsets the environmental damage.

The services provided by a data center do provide jobs. My job for one, and I'm guessing a majority of posters here too.

they said "that many jobs" not "no jobs".

compared to something like a car factory, data centers do not provide that many jobs.

(and the jobs are of significantly different nature)

Re: Lombardy increases charges for the construction of data centres in green areas

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah agriculture is bad for the environment, but at least it feeds us to keep us alive, so we can say it's worth it. Datacenters don't. They don't even create that many jobs like a factory for instance so we can say the mass employment offsets the environmental damage.

The services provided by a data center do provide jobs. My job for one, and I'm guessing a majority of posters here too.

As long as we don't see the damaged areas around data centers than all is fine, right?

Where have I heard this before?

Re: Lombardy increases charges for the construction of data centres in green areas

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Datacenters need cheap energy, something no region in Europe is having in abundance (except maybe Norway, Sweden, and Finland). I don't think Lombardy was seeing too much DC construction. It's just typical green politics. Forever backwards. Sure, people feel somewhat AI-fatigued, but blocking the future won't play out nicely for Italy or Europe in general.

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AI is front and center of any new digital product these days. More and more tedious tasks are automated using agents, even in small businesses. Assuming Europe won't invest in datacenters, eventually it will find itself in a position where it is completely dependent on US and Chinese companies providing the core to such solutions to them. This will eventually lead to a situation where more and more value creation will flow towards these economies.

Re: Lombardy increases charges for the construction of data centres in green areas

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Datacenters need cheap energy, something no region in Europe is having in abundance (except maybe Norway, Sweden, and Finland). I don't think Lombardy was seeing too much DC construction. It's just typical green politics. Forever backwards. Sure, people feel somewhat AI-fatigued, but blocking the future won't play out nicely for Italy or Europe in general.

Pretty sure blocking it will work perfectly.
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