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Re: Private equity bought America's essential services

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One thing I don't see is the other side of this story: the sellers.

I don't get why sellers are selling to PE. Can these services not "IPO"? Why do these companies need to sell?

When PE takes over medical practices, my understanding is there just isn't enough capital available for a dentist to "cash out". The options are either they find another dentist to buy it, the close the practice, or they sell the private equity...

Re: Private equity bought America's essential services

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One thing I don't see is the other side of this story: the sellers. I don't get why sellers are selling to PE. Can these services not "IPO"? Why do these companies need to sell? When PE takes over medical practices, my understanding is there just isn't enough capital available for a dentist to "cash out". The options are either they find another dentist to buy it, the close the practice, or they sell the private equi…

How is local doctor's office going to IPO? An IPO is just selling to the public instead of a private buyer. Not to mention the amount of paperwork and ongoing reporting requirements of actually IPOing.

Talking to a single buyer is easier than arranging an IPO and I would imagine the diligence far less onerous.

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It is not analogous because if you sell your house and the sale money is not enough to cover your mortgage you are still on the hook for what's left of the principal. A leveraged buyout is exclusively on the purchased company's books, so if the company goes to zero the PE parent company is not on the hook for a single penny.

What I don't understand is how the cost of banks repossessing these companies in case of default don't make the math unviable. Unless the company have a lot of fairly stable semi-liquid assets (like real estate) banks should be charging fairly high interest on these loans which would make most of these business unprofitable. Which would increase the rate of defaults (if they are authorized in the first place) and in…

Non-bank entities being in play is likely part of the problem. If you can sell the bad debt to some other entity say a fund that got investment from pension you win. For fund managers these things can look great on paper and that is everything that matters. Even if things do not workout they can on paper extend and pretend or take payment-in-kind. Meaning well you are short on interest payments so you just tack it on the principal.

And everyone gets their management fees until people start asking their money back...

Re: Private equity bought America's essential services

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It is analogous to a mortgage, you put down X% and the house itself secures the loan, along with PMI if your equity is below 20%. The assets of the business secure the loans in the same way a house secures a mortgage.

It is not analogous because if you sell your house and the sale money is not enough to cover your mortgage you are still on the hook for what's left of the principal. A leveraged buyout is exclusively on the purchased company's books, so if the company goes to zero the PE parent company is not on the hook for a single penny.

11 USA states have Non-Recourse mortgages where you also are "not on the hook for a single penny."

Re: Private equity bought America's essential services

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End consolidation. Go back to pre-1980s antitrust policy. Encourage competition and bust the trusts.

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Its called "free market capitalism". I have been in favour of it for decades: https://pietersz.co.uk/2009/11/fix-capitalism

I am somewhat more inclined to some socialist policies now though.

Re: Private equity bought America's essential services

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You understand mortgages, though, right? Even 3% or 0% down mortgages?

LBO's are like buying a rental property where the mortgage is approved based on expected future rental income from the property. That's why the parent is saying "It is like paying for the company with the money from the company you are buying.".

Exactly. That is largely how commercial lending is underwritten: by ensuring the DSCR (debt service coverage ratio) is over 1.0.

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The premise is that PE firms invest in companies, load them up with debt, and maximize profit. And it's especially nefarious in industries where people have "no choice but to pay" > The result is a backlog that reads like a financial opportunity in earnings calls and a crisis in every fire station in the country. As of 2025, REV Group’s backlog stands at $4.5 billion. Wait times for a custom fire truck run to four ye…

There's no competition left to drive the marginal profit back down to a reasonable level.
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