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There are now more ETFs than stocks in the US

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Re: There are now more ETFs than stocks in the US

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Question! Is there a counterparty risk with ETFs versus owning the equivalent fund that owns the same underlying stocks? (Assuming there is an ETF and fund that are approximately equivalent.) I trade about once a year, so there's no real benefit to me with ETFs, and I've always preferred funds.

ETFs are supposed to hold the underlying asset, just like mutual funds. In the worst case, you are due your share of the underlying asset. ETNs (which are sometimes lumped with ETFs but are actually distinct products) have counterparty risk since they aren't required to hold the underlying asset. They are unsecured debt securities issued by a bank.

There are precious metal ETFs that are. Distinct from the "physical" gold funds in that they use derivatives to match the price action of the precious metal instead of buying and storing it

Re: There are now more ETFs than stocks in the US

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I hope to god "investors" don't fall for the "blockbuster" IPO of SPCX. Remember in 2008 when Standard and Poors was giving AAA ratings to junk CDOs at the investment banks behest? SPCX isn't going to collapse the global financial markets, but the exact same shady rules changes and suspect IPO structure reeks of banks trying to pull the wool over retail's eyes.

TSLA was a $60bn company when Musk made his equity milestone deal in 2018. He had a 10 year horizon to 10x TSLA to $650bn. He did it in 2. SPCX is maybe $1.25tr now - and he has a similar equity milestone deal to just 5x to $7.5tr. Its a big number. For comparison, NVDA is already $5.2tr+ So my guess is people will assume any investment in SPCX will be a 5x return in a short period of time. Also a company this large…

It would be more impressive if Tesla was actually growing...

Re: There are now more ETFs than stocks in the US

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I hope to god "investors" don't fall for the "blockbuster" IPO of SPCX. Remember in 2008 when Standard and Poors was giving AAA ratings to junk CDOs at the investment banks behest? SPCX isn't going to collapse the global financial markets, but the exact same shady rules changes and suspect IPO structure reeks of banks trying to pull the wool over retail's eyes.

> I hope to god "investors" don't fall for the "blockbuster" IPO of SPCX. Elon would never leave that to chance, he made sure it doesn't matter if investors "fall" for it or not by bullying the indexes into suspending their 1-year rules specifically to get SPCX (and everyone's 401k) bought in within 15 days. If you use indexes you're buying SPCX right out of the gate whether you like it or not.

> bullying the indexes

Bullying with a fat check, yeah. Corruption in this country is off the charts right now.

Re: There are now more ETFs than stocks in the US

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ETFs are supposed to hold the underlying asset, just like mutual funds. In the worst case, you are due your share of the underlying asset. ETNs (which are sometimes lumped with ETFs but are actually distinct products) have counterparty risk since they aren't required to hold the underlying asset. They are unsecured debt securities issued by a bank.

There are precious metal ETFs that are. Distinct from the "physical" gold funds in that they use derivatives to match the price action of the precious metal instead of buying and storing it

Yes, during the silver boom; I saw an article about how silver ETFs were oversubscribed 80 to the actual silver they owned.

Re: There are now more ETFs than stocks in the US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope to god "investors" don't fall for the "blockbuster" IPO of SPCX. Remember in 2008 when Standard and Poors was giving AAA ratings to junk CDOs at the investment banks behest? SPCX isn't going to collapse the global financial markets, but the exact same shady rules changes and suspect IPO structure reeks of banks trying to pull the wool over retail's eyes.

TSLA was a $60bn company when Musk made his equity milestone deal in 2018. He had a 10 year horizon to 10x TSLA to $650bn. He did it in 2. SPCX is maybe $1.25tr now - and he has a similar equity milestone deal to just 5x to $7.5tr. Its a big number. For comparison, NVDA is already $5.2tr+ So my guess is people will assume any investment in SPCX will be a 5x return in a short period of time. Also a company this large…

That was before Elon went insane. His Trump alignment, and Nazi symbolism, has significantly hurt Tesla's sales. Tesla used to be the only American car that foreigners would buy. That is gone.

They rebounded in 2026 in the EU after a terrible 2025 only because of very high gas prices, and EU for the time being, blocks Chinese EV imports.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/tesla-logs-strong-...

Australia does not block Chinese EVs and Tesla has lost the market.

https://thedriven.io/2025/05/12/how-tesla-surrendered-its-do...

From what I hear Chinese EVs are dominating the South American and African EV market.

SPCX is widely unprofitable with xAI and the only profitable part of it, Starlink, has a very limited ability to scale for anyone familiar with the density limitations of the cellular transmitters. Their own AI offering is not even used by their own engineers over Anthropic's offerings.

Re: There are now more ETFs than stocks in the US

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i cannot wait for the word "slop" to leave the zeitgeist.

I wonder when/where that started. My girlfriend's kid and her friends have been using the word slop for at least the last 5 years to refer to fast food.

It started on 4chan with "goyslop" referring to unhealthy fast food and instant food.
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