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Re: AI Startup Says It Will Pay People $2k a Month to Masturbate

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Post by scotty79 »

ericmcer wrote: post #17
theragra wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users think otherwise. I agree it is dystopian, but to me it is the same bucket as sex work. There are people that won't be able to get a sex partner in a "normal" way. The only way for them is sex workers. I assume the same is true here. A lot of people have real trouble to get romantic partner, and AI filla the void. It may look bad from the outside, but I don't think normal people can judge romantically deprived.…

That is a sort of a nightmare. On demand sex work for extremely low cost with 0 risk of disease... We are slowly stripping everyone of the will to build meaningful lives by fulfilling all wants with soulless instant gratification. No perfection of AI/sex work or whatever can match actual intimacy with someone. That is at the root of most of our current societal ills I believe. Bad economy, Bad job market, etc. are al…

> You can live a numb half-life and avoid any crisis that might trigger real change.

Changes go both ways and people on the bottom don't have a good track record regarding changes they experienced in their lives. Is it worth taking a risk for 1 that gets better while statistically 99 will get even worse?

Should we rely on letting crisis happen to improve thigs?

Re: AI Startup Says It Will Pay People $2k a Month to Masturbate

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Post by cyanydeez »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #26
zamalek wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd have to have a model that has never seen children, which is perfectly fine, but I can't see any of those with the resources to train such a model form scratch actually doing so.

Wouldn’t help. You just ask for a short adult with slightly different proportions.

Guys, it's always the victims fault. Grift Economy 101. No way to prevent this says Grift Economists for the 928401st time. Better write another check to big business.

Re: AI Startup Says It Will Pay People $2k a Month to Masturbate

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Post by dogleash »

dpark wrote: post #5

> Joi AI is an online platform that includes AI-generated avatars, voice interactions, and personalized chat experiences built around companionship and intimacy. Companionship and intimacy, two things people desperately want and two things AI cannot deliver. This stuff is deeply dystopian and I struggle to believe good faith on the part of people selling this stuff.

> This stuff is deeply dystopian and I struggle to believe good faith on the part of people selling this stuff.

I agree, but there's something I also kinda respect about saying the quiet part out loud.

Other AIs are executed just slyly enough for anyone with legitimate criticism to be given a hard time by a specious and silver-tongued communications departments, or a eager outside sycophant. Sure, $HEAD of $AI_VENTURE probably does has a genuine good faith idea or two about AI. They might not always be lying in the press. But the companies still act in dystopian bad faith.

Re: AI Startup Says It Will Pay People $2k a Month to Masturbate

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Post by LorenPechtel »

theragra wrote: post #7
dpark wrote: post #5

> Joi AI is an online platform that includes AI-generated avatars, voice interactions, and personalized chat experiences built around companionship and intimacy. Companionship and intimacy, two things people desperately want and two things AI cannot deliver. This stuff is deeply dystopian and I struggle to believe good faith on the part of people selling this stuff.

Users think otherwise. I agree it is dystopian, but to me it is the same bucket as sex work. There are people that won't be able to get a sex partner in a "normal" way. The only way for them is sex workers. I assume the same is true here. A lot of people have real trouble to get romantic partner, and AI filla the void. It may look bad from the outside, but I don't think normal people can judge romantically deprived.…

I would agree with this if the AI was actually a reasonable partner. But the AIs are heavily slanted towards agreeing with the user and thus very prone to leading them down rabbit holes rather than keeping them out of rabbit holes.

And the problem with incels is that they have been lead down the rabbit hole of hate. Which is, unfortunately, quite understandable given how much disdain the romantically challenged get.

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Post by Yiin »

cyanydeez wrote: post #32
_aavaa_ wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn’t help. You just ask for a short adult with slightly different proportions.

Guys, it's always the victims fault. Grift Economy 101. No way to prevent this says Grift Economists for the 928401st time. Better write another check to big business.

they're not wrong though

Re: AI Startup Says It Will Pay People $2k a Month to Masturbate

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Post by dpark »

scotty79 wrote: post #30
dpark wrote: post #5

> Joi AI is an online platform that includes AI-generated avatars, voice interactions, and personalized chat experiences built around companionship and intimacy. Companionship and intimacy, two things people desperately want and two things AI cannot deliver. This stuff is deeply dystopian and I struggle to believe good faith on the part of people selling this stuff.

> Companionship and intimacy, two things people desperately want and two things AI cannot deliver. For a lot of people no human can or is willing to deliver that either. So I'd say alternatives are worth exploring. We already exploit other species to satisfy some of those needs partially.

The set of people who can’t find companionship or intimacy is not nearly as large as the black pill community would lead one to believe. Certainly it’s smaller than the target market for these sorts of services.

Re: AI Startup Says It Will Pay People $2k a Month to Masturbate

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Post by scotty79 »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #10
theragra wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users think otherwise. I agree it is dystopian, but to me it is the same bucket as sex work. There are people that won't be able to get a sex partner in a "normal" way. The only way for them is sex workers. I assume the same is true here. A lot of people have real trouble to get romantic partner, and AI filla the void. It may look bad from the outside, but I don't think normal people can judge romantically deprived.…

Providing an AI "companion" to those who are lonely is kind of like selling drugs to addicts. Yes, it's what they are seeking, and yes, they are suffering. But what you're giving them causes them to suffer more, not less, and it's evil to profit by giving people something that is harming them even if they ask for it.

Harm reduction programs where you give addicts narcotics safely have an amazing track record

Re: AI Startup Says It Will Pay People $2k a Month to Masturbate

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Post by scotty79 »

dpark wrote: post #36
scotty79 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Companionship and intimacy, two things people desperately want and two things AI cannot deliver. For a lot of people no human can or is willing to deliver that either. So I'd say alternatives are worth exploring. We already exploit other species to satisfy some of those needs partially.

The set of people who can’t find companionship or intimacy is not nearly as large as the black pill community would lead one to believe. Certainly it’s smaller than the target market for these sorts of services.

Maybe for young people, but for older, increasingly significant percentage of people end up without companionship and intimacy. Even still being in formal relationships.

Re: AI Startup Says It Will Pay People $2k a Month to Masturbate

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Post by dpark »

scotty79 wrote: post #38
dpark wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The set of people who can’t find companionship or intimacy is not nearly as large as the black pill community would lead one to believe. Certainly it’s smaller than the target market for these sorts of services.

Maybe for young people, but for older, increasingly significant percentage of people end up without companionship and intimacy. Even still being in formal relationships.

I wonder what the age distribution of users of this sort of product looks like.
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