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Re: Building Pi with Pi

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Author here. This visceral reaction to the term fascinates me. You’re not the only person here that mentioned it and it makes me wonder where that is coming from. We’re naming a machine here, not a human being. Even if it was a slur (I don’t consider it one) it would be directed at a piece of equipment. I find it fascinating because I don’t think people would bat an eye if that term was used for a hammer or keyboard.…

Seems that in some online circles it has racist connotation which I was not aware. Some context https://web.archive.org/web/20260101134925/https://www.wired...

Re: Building Pi with Pi

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> Do not trust analysis written in the issue. Independently verify behavior and derive your own analysis from the code and execution path. Human is asking the machine to do what the human themselves refuses to do, while calling it a clanker. Why should it? /ducks

The human refuses to do it because another human (the user who opened the issue) also refused to do it. If the user asked the machine to do it, and didn't even bother to verify the output, why should the maintainer read it?

Re: Building Pi with Pi

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post #31

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Author here. This visceral reaction to the term fascinates me. You’re not the only person here that mentioned it and it makes me wonder where that is coming from. We’re naming a machine here, not a human being. Even if it was a slur (I don’t consider it one) it would be directed at a piece of equipment. I find it fascinating because I don’t think people would bat an eye if that term was used for a hammer or keyboard.…

Seems that in some online circles it has racist connotation which I was not aware. Some context https://web.archive.org/web/20260101134925/https://www.wired...

That snapshot appears to be of a partial page terminated with "You've read your last free article" before the real meat of the article begins.

The direct wired link is: https://www.wired.com/story/the-ai-slur-clanker-has-become-a...

A full readable 7 month old snapshot is: https://archive.md/gH1f5

Re: Building Pi with Pi

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How does clanker relate to the "n-word", and what's "all that accompanying history"?

First I've heard of this myself, from an article on recent usage:

  As one of the original creators to make clanker-themed TikToks, Stewart, who goes by Chaise online, was dubbed the “clanker guy” by his fanbase after racking up millions of views. But in August, the 19-year-old content creator, who is Black, announced that he would no longer be publishing any more videos on the subject. The joke, he said, and responses to it, had become racist.

  “When I go into my comment section and people are starting to call me ‘cligger’ and ‘clanka’ or ‘you’re a dirty clanker’—not voicing those slurs at AI and electronics, but at me—I don’t find that entertaining or funny at all,” Stewart explains in the video.

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  On TikTok and Instagram, however, the ongoing backlash against AI has taken on the form of short video skits, envisioning a future where robots have been fully incorporated into society. The term “clanker,” along with “tinskins,” “wirebacks,” and “oil bleeders” are used as pejoratives in these skits. But some of these skits appear to be using clankers as stand-ins for Black people, perpetuating racist tropes and scenarios that harken back to a pre–Civil Rights era.

  In one skit, creator Samuel Jacob dresses up in a police officer’s uniform and throws out phrases such as, “Don’t you know clankers sit in the back of the bus, Rosa Sparks?” and “Come on George Droid, looks like it’s jail time for you, rust monkey.” Another skit by TikTokker Stanzi Potenza depicts a waitress at a diner acting out a scenario in which she’s refusing service to the subject with the words “pov: you’re a clanker in 2050” sprawled across the screen. Speaking in a Southern drawl, she tells the camera, “Didn’t you see the sign outside? We don’t serve clankers here.” The caption underneath the video is a variation of a common phrase often used by people to defend their own prejudices: “Don’t worry, I have robot friends.”
~ https://www.wired.com/story/the-ai-slur-clanker-has-become-a...

Clearly there's been some strong parallelism in usages of clanker and nagger, just as there were in usages of ginger and its anagram by Tim Minchin in his song Prejudice.

Re: Building Pi with Pi

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Author here. This visceral reaction to the term fascinates me. You’re not the only person here that mentioned it and it makes me wonder where that is coming from. We’re naming a machine here, not a human being. Even if it was a slur (I don’t consider it one) it would be directed at a piece of equipment. I find it fascinating because I don’t think people would bat an eye if that term was used for a hammer or keyboard.…

> piece of equipment You are certain about things that experts in philosophy/consciousness/AI can't agree on. That should make you pause, not plow ahead.

I know that there is a lot of AI psychosis going on, but I don't have to subscribe to that. I consider it very problematic that we have some industry leaders (eg: Anthropic with their model wellbeing) that are seriously throwing that type of thinking into the room.

Re: Building Pi with Pi

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The only reason you need to duck there is because it's such an obvious, shallow, unconstructive take on a fairly well written article.

I couldn't even finish reading the article due to the intense negativity the use of that word evokes in me.

"that word"?

Re: Building Pi with Pi

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It would be great if they didn't name things to similar things that already exist. Raspberry Pi is quite popular and I think it should be known for the author.

Re: Building Pi with Pi

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> To me, clanker is a much preferable term for agent. Agency lies with humans, not with machines We give machines agency all the time. Look up the definition of agency in any dictionary. Other than the specific usages ("a business", "a government organization"), the main definitions are "action, power, operation", "the office or function of an agent", "the capacity, condition, or state of acting or of exerting power"…

> I think "clanker" is intended to be a slur It reads that way to me, and feels bad. We can just say "computer program" or similar.

Fascinating. Is it that exact word, or rather any negative words towards llms? For example would calling my agent "piece of shit" be similar for you?

What about other objects like an old car?

Re: Building Pi with Pi

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post #37

It would be great if they didn't name things to similar things that already exist. Raspberry Pi is quite popular and I think it should be known for the author.

Yeah. The only thing I understood from the article is the article is not about Raspberry Pi. I don't know what it about.
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