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Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by radiator »

picsao wrote: post #16
chadgpt3 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't sue a court in a court for doing court stuff. Courts are superuser. They can do anything they want to. The recourse is vetting people before they become judges.

This seems dysfunctional and a API for institutional subversion. If you can subvert the machinery that creates judges, you can basically take over a democracy without having any way to fix that except for institutional repair and waiting out the working lifespan of judges (which can be 1.5 generations)

What do you mean "if you can"? It has already happened in several democratic countries.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by embedding-shape »

chadgpt3 wrote: post #29
picsao wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems dysfunctional and a API for institutional subversion. If you can subvert the machinery that creates judges, you can basically take over a democracy without having any way to fix that except for institutional repair and waiting out the working lifespan of judges (which can be 1.5 generations)

That is correct. It's why the Republican party went so hard to prevent any non-Republican judges from joining the supreme court over the last 1.5 generations.

Really confusing to talk about "Republicans" in a thread about Spain and not making it clear if you're talking about Republicans-Republicans or the modern Faux-Republican, AKA US-Republican :)

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by swiftcoder »

embedding-shape wrote: post #26
thomastraum wrote: post #23

fantastic work. PSA: if you still think its not the time to fight for your rights for the status quo in privacy you will come to regret it. If you are the type of person who reads this type of news and thinks: "cool the system is working, it'll sort itself out" you will come to regret it. you will need to become more active or it will be taken away

Literally it'll sort itself out, as the bans are unconstitutional and more, law just takes long time and we have other shit to sort out before starting to panic about 3-5 Cloudflare IPs getting banned for 2 hours a week...

> about 3-5 Cloudflare IPs getting banned

You missed a few zeroes there buddy

> According to LaLiga itself, around 3,000 IP addresses are blocked every weekend[1]

[1] https://cybernews.com/news/cloudflare-spain-laliga-piracy-bl...

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by nubinetwork »

swiftcoder wrote: post #28
nubinetwork wrote: post #3

I'll repeat what I said the last time about laliga... > Foot egg is so ingrained into the countrymen that nothing else matters. > There wouldn't be so much of a forced monopoly if more people would stop watching games and stand up to laliga. > Complaining on the internet every time laliga shuts down github etc isn't going to change anything, we can't solve your problems, the change has to come from within. Props to t…

> There wouldn't be so much of a forced monopoly if more people would stop watching games I don't think giving up one's national sport is really the right response here. We should absolutely be able to enjoy sports without bowing down to regulatory-capture-by-former-government-ministers

> We should absolutely be able to enjoy sports without bowing down to regulatory-capture-by-former-government-ministers

You're right, you absolutely should... but the only way to tell them that you don't like their policies is to stop giving them your money.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by ktallett »

embedding-shape wrote: post #27
swiftcoder wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Doesn't happen here in Spain Yeah, it does. They banned an unreasonably large range of Cloudflare CDN IPs pretty regularly during LaLiga matches, effectively blocking big chunks of the internet from Spain. It has gained fairly broad notice across the world in the last year[1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-geGEYEw7g

Haha, what? Are you going in circles? We're talking about the La Liga matches, that's the context of this conversation :P And no, "the whole internet" does not get blocked, a handful of Cloudflare IPs get blocked, so any neighbors using those IPs too, are also unavailable. Maybe it's just me, but some IPs on Cloudflare being blocked isn't "blocked the whole internet" and if you it is, I suggest you start visiting mor…

The whole internet wasn't blocked but a significant percentage was taken down due to the attempt to take down la liga streams. As explained, some banks, some payments systems, and a few other things stopped working due to the governments attempt at blocking streams. The government are clearly trying to exercise control over the people in a way that just doesn't work. It's no surprise though as the government has always been too heavily involved in football in Spain, especially Real Madrid and Barcelona.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by embedding-shape »

swiftcoder wrote: post #33
embedding-shape wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally it'll sort itself out, as the bans are unconstitutional and more, law just takes long time and we have other shit to sort out before starting to panic about 3-5 Cloudflare IPs getting banned for 2 hours a week...

> about 3-5 Cloudflare IPs getting banned You missed a few zeroes there buddy > According to LaLiga itself, around 3,000 IP addresses are blocked every weekend[1] [1] https://cybernews.com/news/cloudflare-spain-laliga-piracy-bl...

Which IPs that you use daily are actually affected by this though?

I've been trying to keep track myself and so far in my months of collecting, I've noted down one service which is unavailable during the matches for me, Docker Hub, everything else seems to work today.

Keep in mind, when they first started the blocks, a lot more was taken offline than what gets taken down when a match happens today, as they seem to continuously adjust it. The article you linked is from almost exactly a year ago, fwiw.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by embedding-shape »

ktallett wrote: post #36
embedding-shape wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha, what? Are you going in circles? We're talking about the La Liga matches, that's the context of this conversation :P And no, "the whole internet" does not get blocked, a handful of Cloudflare IPs get blocked, so any neighbors using those IPs too, are also unavailable. Maybe it's just me, but some IPs on Cloudflare being blocked isn't "blocked the whole internet" and if you it is, I suggest you start visiting mor…

The whole internet wasn't blocked but a significant percentage was taken down due to the attempt to take down la liga streams. As explained, some banks, some payments systems, and a few other things stopped working due to the governments attempt at blocking streams. The government are clearly trying to exercise control over the people in a way that just doesn't work. It's no surprise though as the government has alwa…

> but a significant percentage

Which websites/services that you use was actually hit by this and what ISP are you on though?

> I've been trying to keep track myself and so far in my months of collecting, I've noted down one service which is unavailable during the matches for me, Docker Hub, everything else seems to work today.`

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

#39

Post by squiffsquiff »

ktallett wrote: post #7

Considering web addresses are easily changed, it was a futile suggestion to say block LaLiga streams. Good on Nordvpn. As a football fan, the owners of the leagues have too much power. Like in the UK people have gone to jail for piracy, which should never happen.

I am not defending the current situation but I am not aware of any case where anyone in the UK has gone to jail for piracy. Invariably what actually happens in such cases is:

1. See headline 'movie pirate goes to prison' which implies a link between the activity and the event 2. Actually read article based on industry press release and learn that the defendant was actually convicted for counterfeiting because they were running a business selling set-top boxes with preinstalled unauthorised streaming software or running their own third party unauthorised streaming service with paid subscriptions or something.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by iLoveOncall »

thomastraum wrote: post #23

fantastic work. PSA: if you still think its not the time to fight for your rights for the status quo in privacy you will come to regret it. If you are the type of person who reads this type of news and thinks: "cool the system is working, it'll sort itself out" you will come to regret it. you will need to become more active or it will be taken away

I wish people who state "you have to fight" also said how.

The extreme majority of people has no fucking clue about how to act about anything, and it's definitely the biggest blocker.

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