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The spread of Christianity, from antiquity until today, on an animated map

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Re: The spread of Christianity, from antiquity until today, on an animated map

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Yes it was, as since it was never part of Roman empire it developed from missionary activity, and even started its own monastic missionary activity back to North Umbria, Faeroes and apparently even Iceland.

But was it doctrinally different from Chalcedonian Christianity to justify its own colour on the map. Wikipedia suggests no, which chimes with my understanding: some local minor differences in practice, but nothing like the Christological disputes that caused the rift with the Church of the East, nor like the row over papal supremacy etc. that led to the Great Schism between Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.

That is correct afaik, though there were serious disputes in Anglo Saxon Britain about these and other issues (mostly about 'leadership' of the church as in any human organization). I'm not sure if it warrants another color, etc though per this video.

Re: The spread of Christianity, from antiquity until today, on an animated map

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I was referring to the analysis of Christianity's spread and evolution as amazing. I was not making a subjective judgment about Christianity itself.

Yes i know. I still think its depressing. Perhaps we use the sentiment differently? Like the spread of the black death? I would say its depressing how fast and easy it spread.

It is a mistake to anthropomorphize large groups of people.

Re: The spread of Christianity, from antiquity until today, on an animated map

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What blew me away was the proliferation of the Church of the East. I never knew Christianity had that much of a foothold in Asia. I wonder if geographically it appears more significant due to that region’s sparse population?

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There was a time when monks were the few who had time to dedicate to learning and discovery eventually leading to the renaissance.

If you are trying to point out that there was something good with religion or necessasity of it, i'm aware of this argument. We do not know what would have happened without religion. Just because some aspects of it was helpful (perhaps) to our current state, doesn't mean you can be against the whole concept of it. I also do not have to bow down to it or see it as a positive because of it. I can easily call it an evil…

I’m not arguing for religion or that it’s good or bad only that one facet of that religion allowed for exploration (they had lots of time to think) and that along with stewardship of critical texts (books) fomented the European renaissance from which we still benefit today and likely tomorrow.

Re: The spread of Christianity, from antiquity until today, on an animated map

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But was it doctrinally different from Chalcedonian Christianity to justify its own colour on the map. Wikipedia suggests no, which chimes with my understanding: some local minor differences in practice, but nothing like the Christological disputes that caused the rift with the Church of the East, nor like the row over papal supremacy etc. that led to the Great Schism between Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.

That is correct afaik, though there were serious disputes in Anglo Saxon Britain about these and other issues (mostly about 'leadership' of the church as in any human organization). I'm not sure if it warrants another color, etc though per this video.

Yes, it seems to be promoting the idea, popular in New Age writings, that Celtic Christianity was a separate denomination (or what Rome would have considered a heresy); and that just doesn’t seem to have been the case.

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The most depressing thing of all is when ppl encounter "bootstrapping" and only see "control"

What do you mean? There is a clear phase in our history which was long and no progress was made "Dark age". In that time religion already existed right? So what was the speciality of christianity apparently bootstrapping everything else? You could only be religious if you had resources to do so. Could have been filled with something else instead. Napoleon wrote somewere (i read that in a museum) that education is nce…

> religion is primarily for control of the people. Thats why you see a lot of rules in the bible.

thank God the world has moved past this kind of 2010s New Atheism.

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The most depressing thing of all is when ppl encounter "bootstrapping" and only see "control"

What do you mean? There is a clear phase in our history which was long and no progress was made "Dark age". In that time religion already existed right? So what was the speciality of christianity apparently bootstrapping everything else? You could only be religious if you had resources to do so. Could have been filled with something else instead. Napoleon wrote somewere (i read that in a museum) that education is nce…

The allegedly lack of progress during the "Dark ages" is a narrative constructed later on, during the Illustration/Enlightenment era. Just to mention an example, alchemical research was verly prolific in that time, and it was the basis for what we now call chemistry and pharmacology.

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It is not fully correct because St Thomas, who was one of the twelve disciples landed in India and martyred here in India and that's why we have A large autonomous branch, known as the Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church (or Indian Orthodox Church), tracing its roots to St. Thomas the Apostle and has its headquarters in Kottayam, Kerala. We in India just call it Syrian Orthodox church. That part is not shown in the vide…

Syrian christians in Kerala are not related to St.Thomas. Syrian chritians landed in kerala while fleeing arabic invasion of Syria. (7th century)

Also 'martyrdom' of St.Thomas is debated. The earliest mention of martyrdom of St.Thomas originate from 16th century portugese missionaries who operated in india at that time. not backed by any evidence.

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