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Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Re: Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Post by lstodd »

hilariously wrote: post #22
Sharlin wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's not delude ourselves. Crypto and AI electricity use is bad, but it's a drop in the ocean compared to the banal, everyday carbon sources that really matter. Even Trump cannot make things much worse in the big picture (he's actually been pretty good at providing reasons to decouple even faster…)

He can continue to propagandize the lie to reduce people's belief in changing is good(and has), change laws to benefit oil companies (and has), and cause wars over oil(and has). Seems like he has plenty he can do to make the current situation worse.

What you refuse to understand is all that you cited even if absolutely true would have had an impact unmeasurable with what tools we have at the moment.

Do you understand the word "unmeasurable"?

It means that whatever value you assign to that particular trump variable is so below the noise that it does not matter, can not matter, and anyone pretending it does is a manipulator; a crook.

Re: Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Post by otikik »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #5

We may lose stable seasons for growing crops, but at least the chat bot can embed an ad into your question while you wait for your burrito taxi. What is the point of this convenience when it really seems to just be making people miserable and isolated? We're driving off a cliff, and our elected government has a death drive.

> your burrito taxi

Which you are financing through a BNPL platform.

Re: Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Post by voidUpdate »

21asdffdsa12 wrote: post #27
jmclnx wrote: post #3

>If warming continues at this rate, humanity could breach the Paris Agreement goal of limiting warming to 1.5°C in 2028, even sooner than other research has projected. I wonder if we are already there :( I remember a year or 2 ago we breached 1.5C for a short period of time. Crypto mining was bad enough, now with AI and Trump, I expect it will happen sooner then later. We did this to ourselves. We had ~40 years of wa…

Trump blocked Hormus, thus stopping oil shipping. Putin blocked gas transfers to the west. They are doing there part.

The ships have to go the long way around instead...

Re: Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Post by elektrontamer »

21asdffdsa12 wrote: post #27
jmclnx wrote: post #3

>If warming continues at this rate, humanity could breach the Paris Agreement goal of limiting warming to 1.5°C in 2028, even sooner than other research has projected. I wonder if we are already there :( I remember a year or 2 ago we breached 1.5C for a short period of time. Crypto mining was bad enough, now with AI and Trump, I expect it will happen sooner then later. We did this to ourselves. We had ~40 years of wa…

Trump blocked Hormus, thus stopping oil shipping. Putin blocked gas transfers to the west. They are doing there part.

Holy hell you're right. Never thought they were so concerned about the environment and global warming.

Re: Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Post by jfengel »

stavros wrote: post #8
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #5

We may lose stable seasons for growing crops, but at least the chat bot can embed an ad into your question while you wait for your burrito taxi. What is the point of this convenience when it really seems to just be making people miserable and isolated? We're driving off a cliff, and our elected government has a death drive.

Stop focusing on energy usage and start focusing on energy generation. It doesn't matter how much energy we consume if it comes from renewables.

Which is why we have just paid billions of dollars to cancel a renewable power project. And are imposing extra fees on cars that can be driven on renewable energy.

So, now I'm focused. I'm very focused.

Re: Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Post by anon7000 »

simgt wrote: post #14
stavros wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop focusing on energy usage and start focusing on energy generation. It doesn't matter how much energy we consume if it comes from renewables.

It does matter because for now renewables are manufactured mostly with coal and oil EDIT: I'm not a renewable skeptic, answers bellow

This doesn’t matter that much. Solar and batteries will last for decades with minimal maintenance and no input.

Any kind of fossil fuel generation means constantly going out and digging up new oil sources, shipping them around the world, and then burning them. So you invest a lot of time & money into something that disappears immediately and also heats up the environment.

Meanwhile, a solar panel just sits there for decades passively making energy with very few externalities.

Not to mention, recycling solar panels & batteries is getting cheaper & more effective by the day. The metal (and even oil!) you dug out of the ground to build them didn’t get burned up; a lot of it is still usable.

Re: Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Post by KronisLV »

leonidasrup wrote: post #7
jmclnx wrote: post #3

>If warming continues at this rate, humanity could breach the Paris Agreement goal of limiting warming to 1.5°C in 2028, even sooner than other research has projected. I wonder if we are already there :( I remember a year or 2 ago we breached 1.5C for a short period of time. Crypto mining was bad enough, now with AI and Trump, I expect it will happen sooner then later. We did this to ourselves. We had ~40 years of wa…

Who do you mean "we"? Look at the evolution of CO2 emisions in the past 40 years by region. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co-emissions-by-re...

Oh hell yeah, EU is doing something right! I fear to think how the US stats have changed. And China is… alarming.

Re: Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Post by simgt »

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #28
simgt wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does matter because for now renewables are manufactured mostly with coal and oil EDIT: I'm not a renewable skeptic, answers bellow

All of the cradle-to-grave studies I've seen about greenhouse gas emissions for renewables versus coal/oil still indicate massive improvements. This government meta study of 3,000 such studies puts PV solar at roughly 20x less emissions than coal. https://docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy21osti/80580.pdf

Yes, but you're missing the point, I'm not debating that. Renewables aren't free, we should care about consumption just as much as production, and we don't know (yet) how to sustain the current consumption with renewables only, that includes being able to manufacture renewables.

Re: Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades

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Post by api »

jfengel wrote: post #35
stavros wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop focusing on energy usage and start focusing on energy generation. It doesn't matter how much energy we consume if it comes from renewables.

Which is why we have just paid billions of dollars to cancel a renewable power project. And are imposing extra fees on cars that can be driven on renewable energy. So, now I'm focused. I'm very focused.

OP did not say this is what we were doing. Said this is what we should do.

What we are doing is attempting to hold back progress on generation while subsidizing demand, which is literally the absolute dumbest possible thing.

Unless you are the fossil fuel industry. Then it’s great.

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