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Re: Mistral AI acquires Emmi AI

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Post by rvnx »

kergonath wrote: post #21
linkregister wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, French labor laws and their downstream effects have pushed the most talented French researchers to US-based frontier labs, thus building one of the most competent cohorts of international AI scientists.

This has more to do with the humongous amounts of money sloshing around in VC funds and the disproportionate importance of the US in the global financial markets. They just followed the money. Those who are successful in securing funding then tend to come back eventually.

Curious to see, it sounds like a rather pretty irrational decision. I don’t see many YC companies suddenly running toward France after securing funding.

Re: Mistral AI acquires Emmi AI

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Post by _njyk »

vrganj wrote: post #24
retinaros wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taxation, admin hell, government involvement led by highly uncompetent unelected people that got to make decision on the sovereignty and future of Companies. The only chance for mistral is to escape the grasp of france and its low iq visionless political “elites” or else theyll endup like dailymotion. Building a company in france and europe is hell even mistral ceo said this a few days ago in front of french official…

As somebody who's built a company in Europe, I don't know what you're talking about. I suspect you don't, either.

What was the jurisdiction ? France is among the most difficult countries for entrepreneurs in the EU (maybe the Germany too, with their written paperwork and rigidity).

In top of high taxes, there is a very adversarial administration and a philosophy of “I’ve told you, you should never have started this project”.

In the baltics it is easy for example, but your experience can vary a lot depending on the country as the EU business environment is not uniform.

Re: Mistral AI acquires Emmi AI

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Post by mediaman »

SilverElfin wrote: post #3

I was skeptical when I saw the headline. And I still am. But AI for manufacturing and industry seems like a good way to differentiate and focus on a vertical that others are ignoring. What I am curious about is what has Emmi actually built? Who uses it? I was hoping to see something like a demo on the website but couldn’t find anything concrete.

They built a transformer-based mold flow simulator. Mold flow analysis is used in injection molding to predict whether and how the plastic will fill a cavity. It's helpful to make sure the mold will actually be able to fill, and to try to engineer lighter weight or different geometry.

Mold flow simulators already exist, but they're slow. So if you're a mold engineer, and you want to try different material properties, each run takes time.

By making this into a transformer (no idea what that model looks like) it can run pretty fast, because it's not mathematically solving it, it's running a learned function approximator. So for the mold engineer, suddenly they can just change values around and get pretty fast analysis.

They appear to not be selling it as a product per se, but partnered with a German company called Simcon to sell it, whose website lists it as a preview, so it's unclear how good it is compared to conventional simulations.

Re: Mistral AI acquires Emmi AI

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Post by lanthissa »

reenorap wrote: post #30

Is Mistral still competitive? I completely forgot they existed because of how much press the Big 3 get (Google, Anthropic and OpenAI).

mistral was never competitive and is getting less so, but that doesn't matter they cant be allowed to fail and have a long time to find their lane. They're smart and have an audience of like 600m people and the largest governments by spending who would use them if they were good enough.

Re: Mistral AI acquires Emmi AI

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Post by yieldcrv »

pm90 wrote: post #4
MeteorMarc wrote: post #2

Nice, also note that ASML is a big investor in Mistral AI, which made the industrial AI ambitions already more credible. https://www.asml.com/en/news/press-releases/2025/asml-mistra...

can you explain how it makes it more credible? is the assertion that asml is using mistral as part of its research/manufacturing?

It doesn’t

ASML’s EUV money printer has nothing to do with their ability to deploy that money in illiquid investments instead of to their own shareholders

ASML buying equity in one company in tangentially related industry (just because they’re in Europe and the pickings are slim in both offerings and growth capital) has nothing to do with any synergy or integration with ASML’s utility (and bottleneck) to the chip supply chain

remember when you were studying for standardized tests as a teenager? this is what the high scoring answer would be

Re: Mistral AI acquires Emmi AI

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Post by Barbing »

lanthissa wrote: post #34
reenorap wrote: post #30

Is Mistral still competitive? I completely forgot they existed because of how much press the Big 3 get (Google, Anthropic and OpenAI).

mistral was never competitive and is getting less so, but that doesn't matter they cant be allowed to fail and have a long time to find their lane. They're smart and have an audience of like 600m people and the largest governments by spending who would use them if they were good enough.

I wonder if they could’ve caught up to Qwen & Gemma by now by now distilling them?

If their best cloud-run offering is far more intelligent than the laptop Gemma / Qwen than nevermind

Re: Mistral AI acquires Emmi AI

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Post by Barbing »

reenorap wrote: post #30

Is Mistral still competitive? I completely forgot they existed because of how much press the Big 3 get (Google, Anthropic and OpenAI).

> Big 3

This is why Elon’s appealing. I thought they surely had the talent to be considered a fourth at this point. (Oh someone mentioned they’re politically unpopular at work.)

Mistral is super welcome competition, good luck!

Re: Mistral AI acquires Emmi AI

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Post by jazzyjackson »

Barbing wrote: post #36
lanthissa wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

mistral was never competitive and is getting less so, but that doesn't matter they cant be allowed to fail and have a long time to find their lane. They're smart and have an audience of like 600m people and the largest governments by spending who would use them if they were good enough.

I wonder if they could’ve caught up to Qwen & Gemma by now by now distilling them? If their best cloud-run offering is far more intelligent than the laptop Gemma / Qwen than nevermind

I would speculate that the purpose is not just to have a domestically owned model that’s as good as the Chinese one, but for the investment to be used to build a domestic industry of people that know how to do it themselves, so as not to rely on foreign parties, so it doesn’t have to be better, just has to be good enough.

Re: Mistral AI acquires Emmi AI

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Post by impulser_ »

reenorap wrote: post #30

Is Mistral still competitive? I completely forgot they existed because of how much press the Big 3 get (Google, Anthropic and OpenAI).

Not really. They have usable models, but it probably Anthropic, OpenAI, Google -> Chinese labs -> NVIDIA, AllenAI, Mistral.

Re: Mistral AI acquires Emmi AI

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Post by nmfisher »

phillc73 wrote: post #27
pezgrande wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have yet to see someone recommending Mistral for anything tbh.

Their Voxtral[1] speech models are really good. [1] https://mistral.ai/news/voxtral

+1 for this, I've found Voxtral to be the best combination of price/speed/accuracy.
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