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Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by jstummbillig »

Oras wrote: post #15

> and a challenger to OpenAI Big claim. Apart from Mistral OCR, I didn't find any of their models remotely useful. They do have a chance to become sole AI provider for France as French are trying to break from US tech, not because their product is useful. Sounds like a cry to raise more money, which is inline with their initial pitch [0] [0] https://sifted.eu/articles/pitch-deck-mistral

It seems fairly plausible that they will become useful. I would not consider coding requiring vastly better AI models than the best we have today. The more interesting question is what advantages excess intelligence provides in the future more generally (warfare, system management, etc)

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by Kye »

bruki wrote: post #14
orochimaaru wrote: post #8

>>>> In a world where you import all your digital services from the United States, you have no leverage over the United States It's a bit deeper than that. If AI becomes as ubiquitous as imagined, which it seems it will, it's not just a "digital service". It's a primary utility - like electricity, water or highways. Because without it your productivity will plummet. We aren't there yet - we will be there in a few yea…

Comparing AI to resources it highly depends on is a bit far fetched.

What resource isn't interdependent with at least one other resource?

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by throwa356262 »

dumbmrblah wrote: post #23
pesacharia wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you include the UK and Switzerland in Europe then Europe is clearly doing ahead of China. The 1st and 3rd AI nations in Europe are not in the EU though, so if you restrict it to just the EU it falls well behind china

What does UK and Switzerland have that even remotely compares to what China has in terms of AI?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_DeepMind

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by DiabloD3 »

This is mostly a performance by the Mistral CEO.

He is trying to justify the continued existence of the AI bubble in his country, claiming that, somehow, us Americans have figured it out and made LLMs work. We haven't, nobody has.

LLMs don't work. They cannot think. They do not understand what you are asking them to do. They statistically reproduce text written by other people, and they cannot do so well. They are not good assistants, they are not good code authors, they are not good debuggers, they cannot help you find security exploits... they can only mimic what it'd look like if they did, as long as you don't squint too hard.

All of the LLM startups are very quickly running out of runway, and will most likely never become profitable. OpenAI may collapse next year. Anthropic may collapse in 2028. Microsoft/Github seems to be pulling back on their Copilot bullshit and may just end up killing it entirely.

Arthur Mensch is just trying to keep Mistral alive a little bit longer until the bubble pops, and is saying whatever whatever it takes to get a little more blood from that stone.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by nchagnet »

polski-g wrote: post #20
janice1999 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans are just as regulated and with even more egregious regulatory capture (see the American broadband/mobile provider cartel). At least Europeans get a little consumer protection.

You need a doctor's note to buy contact lens solution in Holland. The level of regulation isn't close.

That's just... false? You just go to Etos or Kruidvat for that.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by scirob »

Insanity wrote: post #26

As a European I want mistral and EU to do well. But at the same time, I wouldn’t actually give up my well paid engineering job outside of EU to even entertain working for them in EU. Too low salaries and too high taxes.

I wonder why googles biggest European office is in the low tax high salary country of Switzerland

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by Oras »

jstummbillig wrote: post #31
Oras wrote: post #15

> and a challenger to OpenAI Big claim. Apart from Mistral OCR, I didn't find any of their models remotely useful. They do have a chance to become sole AI provider for France as French are trying to break from US tech, not because their product is useful. Sounds like a cry to raise more money, which is inline with their initial pitch [0] [0] https://sifted.eu/articles/pitch-deck-mistral

It seems fairly plausible that they will become useful. I would not consider coding requiring vastly better AI models than the best we have today. The more interesting question is what advantages excess intelligence provides in the future more generally (warfare, system management, etc)

> fairly plausible

Based on what? is that a feeling or based on evidence?

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by oytis »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #35

This is mostly a performance by the Mistral CEO. He is trying to justify the continued existence of the AI bubble in his country, claiming that, somehow, us Americans have figured it out and made LLMs work. We haven't, nobody has. LLMs don't work. They cannot think. They do not understand what you are asking them to do. They statistically reproduce text written by other people, and they cannot do so well. They are no…

> they cannot help you find security exploits.

What is the reason for the recent deluge of CVEs with working exploits to open source projects then?

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