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I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by NitpickLawyer »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #15
vintagedave wrote: post #8

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It is. I wish the conspiracy theorist 'the pyramids could not have been built by humans' etc etc crowds didn't exist, because I wish there was space to theorise about pre-human, pre-ape intelligent culture just for fun. Same with UFOs. It seems to have changed in the past few years, but for a long time interest in them was associated with wackiness, and it was not something you could really discuss with a genuine sen…

That ol' Silurian Hypothesis is fun, but, knowing how damn smart birds are, it's not inconceivable that the theropods could have become advanced enough to be at least tool-users. Of course, now, we know they probably had as much similarity to lizards as we do. Another interesting thought experiment is an octopus civilization. They are probably smart enough to have also developed along those lines. Depending on what t…

> that it might only take a couple of million years, to completely wipe all traces of even an advanced, mechanized civilization.

It depends who comes searching. u235 has a half-life of ~700m years, so finding it in enough places (i.e. rocket silos, even if underground) and obviously processed into spheres, would raise some advanced alien eyebrows. There's also a chance that some things we left on the Moon / in high orbits will survive for a few million years. (also the test tubes on Mars and the rovers themselves, some have RTGs which, even if "depleted" of usable energy might still register as artificial)

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

darkwater wrote: post #17
rbanffy wrote: post #2

One interesting techno-signature a civilization that happened hundreds of millions of years ago would be odd mineral deposits. It's never the Silurians, but it's fun to pretend we found something interesting.

Or, it's just another spin of the anthropomorphism bias we have. If anyone found those mineral what, 50 years ago? or let's say 150 to predate every quantum theory possibility... well, they would have been just nice and weird crystals with 0 importance, just because we didn't know about their properties. But now they have suddenly a meaning so hey, maybe it's somebody like us, smart as us, that created them many eons…

What does it matter when something was realized versus its anthropomorphism?

Didn't some guy use a huge rock as a doorstop before someone realized it was gold and worth a lot.

It was gold before it was realized it was gold. What did it's discover matter? It didn't change what it was. The worth as 'gold' is totally superimposed by the humans.

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Post by fanatic2pope »

tdeck wrote: post #20
nntwozz wrote: post #14

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If humanity suddenly died tomorrow the world would be littered with handy rectangular glass pieces all over the world. Alien archeologists would have a field day figuring out what they were for.

They're clearly a ceremonial artifact, and their reflective surface is used to perform some religious ritual or other, probably related to the sun.

Watching cat videos feels a lot like that.

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Post by somewhatgoated »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #32
darkwater wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, it's just another spin of the anthropomorphism bias we have. If anyone found those mineral what, 50 years ago? or let's say 150 to predate every quantum theory possibility... well, they would have been just nice and weird crystals with 0 importance, just because we didn't know about their properties. But now they have suddenly a meaning so hey, maybe it's somebody like us, smart as us, that created them many eons…

What does it matter when something was realized versus its anthropomorphism? Didn't some guy use a huge rock as a doorstop before someone realized it was gold and worth a lot. It was gold before it was realized it was gold. What did it's discover matter? It didn't change what it was. The worth as 'gold' is totally superimposed by the humans.

There are a bunch of stories about people using valuable rocks as a doorstop, meteorites, gold, amber etc

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Animats wrote: post #18

By the same author: "Altered States from the Inside Out: A Physicist’s Embodied Journey Through Seizures, Psychedelics, and Consciousness"[1] [1] https://medium.com/@breid.at/seizures-crystals-psychedelics-...

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Post by ramses0 »

nntwozz wrote: post #14
baxtr wrote: post #10

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It’s gotta be coins though. Most famous example was Louis XIV who created medals specifically to preserve French history for future archaeologists. At that time they realized that they knew almost everything about Romans and Greek through preserved medals. So the King created a vast medal series ( Histoire Métallique) intended to outlast paper, books, and buildings. These bronze and gold medals were intentionally bur…

If humanity suddenly died tomorrow the world would be littered with handy rectangular glass pieces all over the world. Alien archeologists would have a field day figuring out what they were for.

https://www.erasmatazz.com/library/life-in-general/marbles.h...

"""Civilization will not survive more than a few centuries into the future. If that sad assertion be true, then what will the earth look like in the far future? There was a television show some years ago entitled “Life After People”. It did a good job of showing how the artifacts of civilization would decay, erode, disintegrate, and disappear. What’s surprising is that most of the stuff won’t last more than a few centuries. Our big cities, freeways, bridges, skyscrapers, and so forth will be untraceable within a millenium of the collapse of civilization. What will survive for longer?

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This is why I occasionally dig a deep hole — perhaps two feet deep — on my land, drop a marble into it, and cover it up again. I always dig such holes on flat land halfway between the slope and the creek. The soil erosion here is slowest. For many years, the rains will slowly move dirt down the slopes toward the creek. On this flat section of land, the process will be very slow, and the loss of dirt to the creek will be matched by the gain of dirt from above. But eventually the former process will outperform the latter process, and dirt will start eroding away from above the marble. Eventually, all the dirt over the marble will be washed away and it will be exposed. """

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Post by Gravityloss »

krapp wrote: post #16
Etheryte wrote: post #9

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Was the sense of wackiness wrong though? Nearly all UFO claims went away once high quality cameras in smartphones became ubiquitous. It's useful to play around with ideas, yes, but it's also important to acknowledge that some ideas simply are wishful thinking.

>Nearly all UFO claims went away once high quality cameras in smartphones became ubiquitous. If only, but no. Thanks to equally ubiquitous video and image editing and now AI and the profit potential of social media there are more such claims than anyone can count. The sitting president of the US is even intentionally stirring the pot releasing obvious AI photos of himself walking with aliens while the government is r…

Most common video seems to be a balloon filmed sideways from a fast flying aircraft, with parallax giving the illusion that the balloon moves very fast.

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Post by doctorwho42 »

ReptileMan wrote: post #30
vintagedave wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is. I wish the conspiracy theorist 'the pyramids could not have been built by humans' etc etc crowds didn't exist, because I wish there was space to theorise about pre-human, pre-ape intelligent culture just for fun. Same with UFOs. It seems to have changed in the past few years, but for a long time interest in them was associated with wackiness, and it was not something you could really discuss with a genuine sen…

Building the pyramids is the easy part. You need food, labor, stone. Designing the bastards is where the true mystery lies for me. And it doesn't seem that we have very good history on the design process. Unlike the building one.

Design in what way? A pyramid is the natural shape any pile of stuff takes when created because it is the most stable.

Heck, when just playing in the dirt or sand as a little kid you sort of instinctually learn that.

So once you have that, what is left to learn of the design process? Cutting and assembly.

Cutting we figured out already, with copper tools you can use the desert sand as a diamond abrasive (has microscopic diamonds in it). Put sand on block, move a saw blade with no teeth back and forth.

Assembly: we do have some idea of the assembly process, but yes we will never know for certain because it was either taken for granted in that age (like we take for granted how to use modern technology), or written on parchment long since destroyed.

Design: we have countless examples in the region of pre-giza pyramids that have different height/width ratios. And how the older ones are less stable due to having more height to width (taller than wide).

So yeah, designing really is do it at smaller scale. Heck hand held bricks would give you a lot of practice and design reference when building the real thing, for a fraction of the cost.

And you missed the most obvious thing we learned, (a) they had a ton of time (no YouTube), (b) they built it in the off-season and paid the workers in food - not slaves. It was a public works project, that was used to keep the citizens fed.

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Post by the_af »

krapp wrote: post #16
Etheryte wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was the sense of wackiness wrong though? Nearly all UFO claims went away once high quality cameras in smartphones became ubiquitous. It's useful to play around with ideas, yes, but it's also important to acknowledge that some ideas simply are wishful thinking.

>Nearly all UFO claims went away once high quality cameras in smartphones became ubiquitous. If only, but no. Thanks to equally ubiquitous video and image editing and now AI and the profit potential of social media there are more such claims than anyone can count. The sitting president of the US is even intentionally stirring the pot releasing obvious AI photos of himself walking with aliens while the government is r…

> If only, but no. Thanks to equally ubiquitous video and image editing and now AI and the profit potential of social media there are more such claims than anyone can count.

That's a more recent development. UFO sightings surge when the technology aligns with them: when the camera is blurry or you're not expected to carry one, or when faking with editing or AI is trivial. But there was a long middle when everyone had access to phone cameras yet editing/faking was hard, and UFO sightings by civilians became rare.

Same with the Loch Ness monster, the Yeti, Big Foot, etc. These monsters were apparently very shy during the phone camera era, but I bet you with AI image editing they will overcome their shyness!

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