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I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by 9dev »

woeirua wrote: post #17

This doesn’t constitute AI psychosis. His argument is that we need to retain understanding of the systems we use, but there’s no compelling argument as to why that is the case. (I get that people are going to be offended by that statement, but agents are already better than the average software engineer. I don’t see why we need to fight this, except for economic insecurity caused by mass layoffs.) It all just feels l…

If you want to draw that line of argument - it's more like horse riders being convinced to give up their horses in favour of trains: You're travelling faster, don't have to navigate yourself, or think about every boulder on the way; but there are destinations you can't go, overcrowded trains slowing down the journey, hefty ticket prices, and instead of enjoying the freedom, you're degraded to a passive passenger.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by jgbuddy »

woeirua wrote: post #17

This doesn’t constitute AI psychosis. His argument is that we need to retain understanding of the systems we use, but there’s no compelling argument as to why that is the case. (I get that people are going to be offended by that statement, but agents are already better than the average software engineer. I don’t see why we need to fight this, except for economic insecurity caused by mass layoffs.) It all just feels l…

agreed completely

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by platinumrad »

sitkack wrote: post #11
senordevnyc wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will never happen, for the exact reason that we’ve almost never done that for human output either.

it is required now, or all civilization collapses.

You're going to have to expand on this one.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by lolc »

weinzierl wrote: post #4

"its fine to ship bugs because the agents will fix them so quickly and at a scale humans can't do!" Hmm, I agree with the point OP is making, but I'm not so sure this is the best supporting argument. The bottleneck is finding the bugs and if he'd criticized people saying AI will be the panacea to that I'd be with him, but people saying agents are fast and good at fixing human found bugs is nothing I'd object to. Agen…

> Agents are fixing bugs so quickly and at a scale humans can't do already.

The metric is how many defects are introduced per defect fixed. Being fast is bad if this ratio is above one.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by stego-tech »

nialse wrote: post #25
senordevnyc wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will never happen, for the exact reason that we’ve almost never done that for human output either.

Another argument for less human-like AI then, I guess.

That’s literally just software though.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by maxbond »

woeirua wrote: post #13
weinzierl wrote: post #4

"its fine to ship bugs because the agents will fix them so quickly and at a scale humans can't do!" Hmm, I agree with the point OP is making, but I'm not so sure this is the best supporting argument. The bottleneck is finding the bugs and if he'd criticized people saying AI will be the panacea to that I'd be with him, but people saying agents are fast and good at fixing human found bugs is nothing I'd object to. Agen…

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More likely people thought GP was missing the point; "MTTR-optimized YOLO deployment" only succeeds against recoverable errors and acceptable periods of downtime against errors that are detected quickly. You could have a bug silently corrupting data for months, and that data may only be used by 1 critical process that runs once every quarter. So you could introduce a timebomb that can't be gracefully recovered from (depending on the nature of the data corruption).

So the point is not that agents cannot find bugs (they certainly can), it's whether you can shirk reviewing for bugs if MTTR is fast enough. There are circumstances where YOLO is appropriate, but they aren't the production environment of a mature application.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by 999900000999 »

nialse wrote: post #8

I'm starting to long for the age after AI. When the generative euphoria has settled and all outputs are formally verified based on exquisite architectures and standards.

This is the new normal. AI will continue to reduce the need for human workers until a Universal Basic Income is established.

At the end of the day robots can do the vast vast majority of jobs better and faster. If not now, very soon.

I only worry our economic systems won’t keep up

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by infamouscow »

CodingJeebus wrote: post #12

Anyone who's taken VC funding has no choice. More money has been spent on AI commercialization than the atomic bomb, the US interstate build-out, the ISS and the Apollo program combined. Failure is going to be catastrophic and therefore, one tied to this ship cannot accept a world in which it fails.

On the bright side, my guillotine & rope startup is going to make a killing (no pun intended).
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