The pricing of deepseek v4 flash is incredible. I have been hammering it with kilo code and end up using only cents per day.
DeepSeek V4: The Open-Source Model Frontier Labs Feared
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This is kinda FUD. Claude really isn’t that good compared to Codex firstly and if you combine the latest DeepSeek model with any good coding harness the results are surprisingly comparable to Claude Code. I would say DeepSeek is definitely behind compared to Codex but Claude doesn’t and hasn’t impressed me for some time now. It writes way too much code when it doesn’t need to in a fashion that gradually rots your cod…
Fascinating, Claude outperforms codex in my coding setup by 5X to 10X, its not even close. Interesting that your claiming the opposite is a general fact here, if i take you literally at your word. Codex has been so bad, in fact, that while I was maintaining a $200/m sub I literally did not even "use it up" while paying for it, ( after cancelling ). But that was 3 months ago, have not tried it since, they could have g…
Codex 3 months ago was really different (I think they released 2 versions since?). It was also the same time that I started using Codex and I see no different in quality comparing to Claude. Still using Claude mainly because work mandates it, but doing all my personal stuff with Codex now.
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#33I didn’t read the article but I will say that the value/performance of Deepseek v4 flash is so awesome it is a lifesaver and I’m thrilled for it.
deepseek v4 flash is basically the anthropic killer. I've been able to offload the vast majority of my workflow to that using opencode go. between that and the occasional use of pro and kimi k.26, I don't understand what the big deal is about claudecode.
How much does that cost you to run monthly?
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deepseek v4 flash is basically the anthropic killer. I've been able to offload the vast majority of my workflow to that using opencode go. between that and the occasional use of pro and kimi k.26, I don't understand what the big deal is about claudecode.
How much does that cost you to run monthly?
$10/month on opencode go and I have yet to hit the limits using just flash. literally I'll abuse it for 2 hours straight and my rolling usage goes up 5%. kimik2 will use that much in about 10 min of use
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Fascinating, Claude outperforms codex in my coding setup by 5X to 10X, its not even close. Interesting that your claiming the opposite is a general fact here, if i take you literally at your word. Codex has been so bad, in fact, that while I was maintaining a $200/m sub I literally did not even "use it up" while paying for it, ( after cancelling ). But that was 3 months ago, have not tried it since, they could have g…
Codex 3 months ago was really different (I think they released 2 versions since?). It was also the same time that I started using Codex and I see no different in quality comparing to Claude. Still using Claude mainly because work mandates it, but doing all my personal stuff with Codex now.
Claude at times feels lobotomized compared to where it was a few months ago with 4.6. I think Anthropic was (is still?) struggling with their infrastructure and hasn't felt as good for me anecdotally for a few months. Significantly enough that I've cancelled (max 20x).
Codex 5.5 extra high currently feels a good amount smarter than either 4.6 or 4.7 Opus. I only just started using it about a week ago, so maybe that's a recent development and then OpenAI will eventually lobotomize their model or throttle etc.
What I dislike about frontier models is how opaque and incentivized the businesses are about tweaking their services. Anthropic definitely does some shady throttling. I have zero trust for Altman and he's BS AGI claims. And Google makes it non-obvious that you can't turn Gemini training off on even their highest tier personal plan. There's a lot of shady and dishonest behaviour, probably because they are all overhyped and heavily subsidized to win the race. I don't mind at all paying more than I currently am for these services, but I don't trust any of these frontier model companies, and so I'm cheering for open models.
Right now I'm using Codex for planning and DeepSeek V4 Flash [1m] for implementation. It's quite fast. Quite possible / likely that OpenAI will make significant changes that kill this workflow for w/e reason... at which point I will probably move to full open weight models.
Re: DeepSeek V4: The Open-Source Model Frontier Labs Feared
#36In my personal experience, no model comes close to claude when it comes to coding performance. It does not matter what any of the benchmarks says. Having said that I really hope this model of deepseek, performs significantly on par with the claude saunnet model.
Codex is good now. I’m undecided which is better, but they’re definitely close enough that I feel comfortable recommending Claude-exclusive people in my circle to try codex.
Maybe, in your experience, but I have tried both claude and codex and the code quality that claude produces is still superior in my experience, maybe its because of the nature of app I am building