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"Not Medically Necessary": Helping America's Health Insurers Deny Coverage

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Re: "Not Medically Necessary": Helping America's Health Insurers Deny Coverage

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The worst part, simultaneously soul crushing and apocalyptic rage inducing is that we get these outcomes after spending more per capita on healthcare than pretty much any country on the planet.

Worse, we spend more in tax dollars on it than any other country total, and then add on the private spending on top. We do the worst of both worlds.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OECD_health_expendit...

(And we’re middling in outcomes!)

Re: "Not Medically Necessary": Helping America's Health Insurers Deny Coverage

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Medically speak, I'm sure we can all find several businesses that arn't necessary.

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yes... sarcasm...

Totally unrelated. In traditional stories, as anyone ever been upset when the knight slays the dragon at the end because the dragon was hoarding all the gold and killing the townspeople? I was never upset when the dragon got slayed.

EDIT: Yeesh. I guess people here really like it when the dragon wins. Oh well. I guess people have to die so the dragon can hoard the wealth.

Re: "Not Medically Necessary": Helping America's Health Insurers Deny Coverage

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Medicare has a similar issue. When you sign up at 65, you have to make a first big decision, Traditional Medicare (yay!) or private Medicare Advantage (boo!). Traditional Medicare consists of Part A (hospitals), Part B (doctors) and Part D (drugs). Part A+B don't cover everything so you have a Medigap plan. I have Plan G which has very little paperwork. All up, I spend about $400/mo and I'm very happy with A+B+G+D. W…

The theory behind Medicare Advantage is that it would cost the government less than traditional Medicare because the private insurer would be more efficient. Guess what happened.

Re: "Not Medically Necessary": Helping America's Health Insurers Deny Coverage

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Medicare has a similar issue. When you sign up at 65, you have to make a first big decision, Traditional Medicare (yay!) or private Medicare Advantage (boo!). Traditional Medicare consists of Part A (hospitals), Part B (doctors) and Part D (drugs). Part A+B don't cover everything so you have a Medigap plan. I have Plan G which has very little paperwork. All up, I spend about $400/mo and I'm very happy with A+B+G+D. W…

If you look at any health insurers profit split right now they are making all of their gains on medicare advantage.

Re: "Not Medically Necessary": Helping America's Health Insurers Deny Coverage

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post #33

Medicare has a similar issue. When you sign up at 65, you have to make a first big decision, Traditional Medicare (yay!) or private Medicare Advantage (boo!). Traditional Medicare consists of Part A (hospitals), Part B (doctors) and Part D (drugs). Part A+B don't cover everything so you have a Medigap plan. I have Plan G which has very little paperwork. All up, I spend about $400/mo and I'm very happy with A+B+G+D. W…

The theory behind Medicare Advantage is that it would cost the government less than traditional Medicare because the private insurer would be more efficient. Guess what happened.

I think the logic of running a more efficient company is true - they are making more money operating them than the government can/is.

The insurers are such behemoths and so largely vertically integrated it is controlling the system instead of improving it.

Notice how there is rarely ever any new competition in the health insurance space to drive down pricing.

Re: "Not Medically Necessary": Helping America's Health Insurers Deny Coverage

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Medicare has a similar issue. When you sign up at 65, you have to make a first big decision, Traditional Medicare (yay!) or private Medicare Advantage (boo!). Traditional Medicare consists of Part A (hospitals), Part B (doctors) and Part D (drugs). Part A+B don't cover everything so you have a Medigap plan. I have Plan G which has very little paperwork. All up, I spend about $400/mo and I'm very happy with A+B+G+D. W…

Yes.

"Medicare Advantage" = HMO. All the usual HMO problems.

The best Medigap plan is Plan F, which is no longer available to new subscribers. "Discontinuation of Medicare Plan F was a strategic decision aimed at promoting responsible healthcare spending and ensuring the financial sustainability of the Medicare program." It covers just about everything Medicare doesn't pay, including the various deductibles Medicare has. If Medicare covered Medicare's part, the Plan F provider has to pay their part. They don't get to question it. I don't even see hospital bills, just statements that it's been paid for.

Plan G is one step down from that.

Re: "Not Medically Necessary": Helping America's Health Insurers Deny Coverage

#38

“The algorithm cannot say no, however. If it finds problems, it sends the request for review to a team of in-house nurses and doctors who consult company medical guidelines. Only doctors can issue a final denial.” As a physician, I’ve had to speak to these so called “peers” in a peer to peer denials with both my clinic and hospital setting. They are usually people who aren’t physicians as a first line of their defens…

seriously consider that book if you can fill it up with these types of stories. A book like this could be a huge hit, get this issue even more spotlight and maybe some fixes.

Re: "Not Medically Necessary": Helping America's Health Insurers Deny Coverage

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“The algorithm cannot say no, however. If it finds problems, it sends the request for review to a team of in-house nurses and doctors who consult company medical guidelines. Only doctors can issue a final denial.” As a physician, I’ve had to speak to these so called “peers” in a peer to peer denials with both my clinic and hospital setting. They are usually people who aren’t physicians as a first line of their defens…

In the early 2000s I got a job right out of highschool working at a Blue Cross Blue Shields call center. I thought it was going to be customer service but it was insurance claims. Training was supposed to be 6 weeks but they pushed me live after just 2. I had no idea what I was doing. After floundering for a couple weeks trying to learn to basically be a fuckin doctor, I just started approving everything. "Patient ne…

That was the correct course of action.

Re: "Not Medically Necessary": Helping America's Health Insurers Deny Coverage

#40
Evilcore is a fitting name.

> Connecticut’s Insurance Department recently reviewed EviCore and Carelon. It found no problems with Carelon. EviCore was fined $16,000 this year for more than 77 violations found in a review of 196 files.

$16k is such a low fine that it’d be funny if it wasn’t so sad. fines should be increased to actually represent a threat to the company - maybe as a % of yearly profit?

our system is so fucked dude

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