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Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

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#31

I thought Europe was more careful about things like this. This is pretty bad, these people are vulnerable and they're just mining they're data for profit.

It is, and that is why the company took action:

> After being confronted with this research, Stichting 113 temporarily suspended all measurement and analysis tools on its website.

It does not mean that this cannot happen, but the regulatory framework helps stop it.

Re: Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

#32
It's telling, IMO, that Western cultures deals with suicidality with hotlines you can call. It's like some joke from gonzo journalism come to fruition. I don't know what the answer is, but as a person who's been suicidal, for me it wasn't a hotline. It's even more fitting, if not kind of perfect, that said hotlines farm your data and sell it. :chef's kiss: what else is there to say. Like just about everything else, callous people make money while vulnerable, sensitive people pay up. Beautiful world we live in ;). Please drink responsibly!

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I have lately thought about how the only tech I am interested in now is to assist programming. Programming for programming. Eternal yak shaving. And a big part of that is that end-user digital technology is a dystopia. No, not dystopic, not going in a bad direction. Just dystopia. Vultures and thugs at every corner preying on every “convenience” and mistake that you could make. It is also good for mindless entertainm…

> I have lately thought about how the only tech I am interested in now is to assist programming. Programming for programming. Eternal yak shaving. Could you give some specific examples?

I'm not OP, but I took their comment to mean things like internal dev tooling. Kind of stuff platform engineering focuses on

Re: Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

#34

I thought Europe was more careful about things like this. This is pretty bad, these people are vulnerable and they're just mining they're data for profit.

Europe is more careful. But people will break the law.

Re: Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

See my comment. My hypothesis is: ignorance and apathy that results in incompetence. Using GA4 is just the normal thing right? Look in a room full of marketing experts and they will say yes or shrug. Look in a room full of tech people and you'll see all security experts and security adjacent people screaming HELL NO or simply giving a nuanced answer that ultimately comes down to "no". Some will do funny little dances…

Yes, my comment was published just one minute after yours so I only saw your comment after mine and I appreciated reading your comment (& upvoted it) > Look in a room full of tech people and you'll see all security experts and security adjacent people screaming HELL NO or simply giving a nuanced answer that ultimately comes down to "no". Some will do funny little dances, some probably even just praying to a sun or ra…

Not all websites are created with IT in the loop. And sometimes even if IT is in the loop, then they aren't privacy/security conscious enough.

I got to see this first-hand being part of a marketing department. IT was explicitly left out of the loop. Though that was a Fortune 500 company. I'm not saying it's the same situation for the organization of this article.

My point simply is: IT is not always in the loop when a site gets created. And I bet "not always" is putting it mildly.

Tribalism is a thing. Or at least, I call it tribalism.

"Show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome". It's that kind of stuff, unfortunately.

Re: Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

#36
post #20

I have lately thought about how the only tech I am interested in now is to assist programming. Programming for programming. Eternal yak shaving. And a big part of that is that end-user digital technology is a dystopia. No, not dystopic, not going in a bad direction. Just dystopia. Vultures and thugs at every corner preying on every “convenience” and mistake that you could make. It is also good for mindless entertainm…

> I have lately thought about how the only tech I am interested in now is to assist programming. Programming for programming. Eternal yak shaving. Could you give some specific examples?

For example version control. That’s the kind of the thing that I read about and want to program myself. Things that have nothing to do with end-user software.

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Yea this is bad. I do want to mention though, while this is bad, I feel like we're singling out a site. Fact is, I've seen more places where this doesn't happen. Though, not at places that have such a strong social mission as this one. And while I've done my best to work at those places to get it fixed, there is a lot of inertia and simply ignorance. I'm not talking about small places either. I'm talking about non-te…

I have a similar outlook atm as one of "those guys." Everything takes so long, nobody is held accountable. The most likely result of pushing for any type of positive outcome for basically anything is some form of punishment or social degradation. And so, as of October 2024, I don't do it anymore. I will also note that most of the things I see "being corrected" these days are entirely fictitious. As an example is the…

> And so, as of October 2024, I don't do it anymore.

I feel you. I wish the world was a better place, but here we are. I don't know what else to say about it. I feel you.

Re: Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

#38

I thought Europe was more careful about things like this. This is pretty bad, these people are vulnerable and they're just mining they're data for profit.

Europe is more careful. But people will break the law.

People make mistakes.

Re: Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

#39
post #32

It's telling, IMO, that Western cultures deals with suicidality with hotlines you can call. It's like some joke from gonzo journalism come to fruition. I don't know what the answer is, but as a person who's been suicidal, for me it wasn't a hotline. It's even more fitting, if not kind of perfect, that said hotlines farm your data and sell it. :chef's kiss: what else is there to say. Like just about everything else, c…

I've heard the Dutch one is is a little better. The ones in the USA aren't likely to do much more than call police to put a mental hold on you, during which the hospital will rack up so many bills that it would make anyone suicidal. And then yay, your gun rights gone forever, so if you are suicidal in part because you live in a dangerous impoverished shithole good luck defending yourself afterwards!

Re: Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

#40

I thought Europe was more careful about things like this. This is pretty bad, these people are vulnerable and they're just mining they're data for profit.

Europe is more careful. But people will break the law.

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