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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Using OVH for backups is a crazy choice. They had a datacenter burn down (in large part because it was fully built using wood) and lost all customer data and did not take any action for 6 months after the incident. They're just not a serious company.

Any source for this? Would love to read up on this.

this was 5 years ago. There were many threads on it on HN that may be of interest to you

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not Source: own multiple, via EU registrar (Edit: Parent was edited after reply - parent statement is now correct)

Registering a .com through a EU-based registrar doesn't change anything. Verisign, the organisation that actually controls the .com top-level domain, is a US company and operates under US jurisdiction. Where you purchase the domain from is irrelevant.

That… is true - thanks for editing your comment to clarify

The initial thread read like “.com domains are exclusive to US” which they of course aren’t

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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While I agree with him that the US is becoming more unpredictable, I don't think the EU is much better, especially with regards to digital things where they can be worse in some ways. For example, they are discussing restricting VPN access for 'child protection'[1] [1] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document/EPRS_AT...

Most digital things in Europe are in fact much better. Lots of laws allow people to protect themselves from digital exploitation.

I agree that there is a ton of bullshit as well though. Gotta dox myself with imprints for example, so I cant share my work with people without also doxing myself. Also as a hobbyist you pretty much need all the business documents as well, like a privacy policy even if its just a small public app on the playstore. Also gotta make sure that data of European citizens never leaves Europe and and and... Lots of things to remember.

And before anyone asks, yes I know an imprint usually is only required for businesses, but nowadays pretty much everything could have business intent.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

#34

> Digital sovereignty sounds like a buzzword until you think Sure now just think and give me the reason. All these moving to Europe post is getting tiring. Amazon follows the same EU rules, if not more, than Scaleway.

Matt Lakeman writes in one of his blogs that wherever he goes, people tend to love the USA. Except in Europe where he faces a constant storm of criticism. And that was before February. Just like you cannot explain the taste of chocolate to someone, it is hardly possible to explain the mental shift that happened everywhere when the US threatened the EU with military invasion. Like a broken egg this is diplomatic damage that cannot be repaired.

If you sell software and you tell your customers and prospects that everything runs in Europe, by European companies, this instills an enormous amount of trust. Risk averse sectors like manufacturing love this, and it will help you gain customers immediately.

So no, these posts are not tiring to many of us. In fact, we are only at the beginning of the beginning because many of us will be making these migrations. I wish things had run a different course.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

#35

Using OVH for backups is a crazy choice. They had a datacenter burn down (in large part because it was fully built using wood) and lost all customer data and did not take any action for 6 months after the incident. They're just not a serious company.

This is borderline adversarial propaganda.

While the incident did happen, a lot of actions were taken and most of the data was recovered. OVH now also keeps backups even for clients that don't pay for it.

I was hit by that datacenter catastrophe and got my data back almost immediately, in a new VM.

I've been using them for years with little issue (no more than happened on my AWS or Azure accounts, I would say less because it's less of a mess in general).

Stop spreading false rumors.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

#36

Using OVH for backups is a crazy choice. They had a datacenter burn down (in large part because it was fully built using wood) and lost all customer data and did not take any action for 6 months after the incident. They're just not a serious company.

It's important to distinguish between a backup strategy and a backup location. A real backup strategy would involve multiple locations (3-2-1 etc)

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

#37

While I agree with him that the US is becoming more unpredictable, I don't think the EU is much better, especially with regards to digital things where they can be worse in some ways. For example, they are discussing restricting VPN access for 'child protection'[1] [1] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document/EPRS_AT...

The author isn't just moving their personal setup; they're also moving their business operations. It's not some slacktivism 'I don't like the US any more' issue; it's a 'how can I maintain my income now the US is firing all its glass cannon' issue.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

#38

Google Analytics --> Matomo Matomo charges 22 euros for 50k hits/month.[0] Basically, it's unusable for anything other than a hobby site - especially with the number of crawlers nowadays. If you self host for free, you're missing basically all of the good parts of web analytics such as funnel analysis as they lock all of those features being paid subs. [0] https://matomo.org/pricing/

i.e. you can't give stuff away for free if you aren't one of the 3 largest companies on the planet

Would you pay $20/month for Hacker News access?

I think it's fair that GA is free and Google gets some benefits from using the data for their ad network.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

#40
Small print: With exceptions

Why are there exceptions for Anthropic, GitHub and GitLab?

> Anthropic is a US company...But it satisfies something else, the sense that the organization building the thing has given serious thought to what it’s building and why.

This reads like a weak excuse. Mistral and Mistral Vibe exists and even if you don't like them, there are many non-US harnesses (Qwen code) that are available.

> GitHub stays in the picture for one specific purpose: public-facing NPM packages and issue tracking for open source software.

First of all Codeberg exists.

Secondly, at this stage relying on NPM and the Java/Typescript ecosystem is quite frankly waiting for a disaster to happen.

This post isn't absolute on moving their digital stack to Europe as it has not one but three exceptions too many.

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