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GM just laid off IT workers to hire those with stronger AI skills

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Re: GM just laid off IT workers to hire those with stronger AI skills

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Post by anonym29 »

thot_experiment wrote: post #25
porphyra wrote: post #21

AI is a godsend for automotive coding. It's really annoying how at some ASIL levels you need 100% code coverage of unit tests. With AI, all you have to do is to get your agent to generate the tests! Likewise with all the MISRA C requirements. Need your cyclomatic complexity to be less than 10? It's just one prompt away! Now your spaghetti code can easily satisfy the safety requirements with much less effort.

I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not, but it seems insane to let the AI write the tests. AI can't be held accountable, it shouldn't be writing the tests that determine whether car systems function correctly.

>AI can't be held accountable

I hear this all the time. Why does it matter? Punishing a human for making a mistake does not prevent mistakes, nor does it undo the harm of the mistake. A human saying "my bad, I messed up" and an AI saying "my bad, I messed up" are equally worthless, in a functional sense.

Re: GM just laid off IT workers to hire those with stronger AI skills

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Post by AngryData »

cosmotic wrote: post #3

They couldn't be bothered to train their staff?

Their tech positions were really the only common path to get continued raises and promotions starting from the bottom in GM for the past few decades. Most other positions only ever got hired from outside the company because internal hires expected raises for it, so to me this just looks like gm putting their tech department under the same self destructive hiring policies as the rest of the company.

Re: GM just laid off IT workers to hire those with stronger AI skills

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Post by forgetfreeman »

anonym29 wrote: post #31
thot_experiment wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not, but it seems insane to let the AI write the tests. AI can't be held accountable, it shouldn't be writing the tests that determine whether car systems function correctly.

>AI can't be held accountable I hear this all the time. Why does it matter? Punishing a human for making a mistake does not prevent mistakes, nor does it undo the harm of the mistake. A human saying "my bad, I messed up" and an AI saying "my bad, I messed up" are equally worthless, in a functional sense.

"Punishing a human for making a mistake does not prevent mistakes" This statement suggests you don't believe in some combination of neuroplasticity as a concept or the arrow of time.

Re: GM just laid off IT workers to hire those with stronger AI skills

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Post by elwebmaster »

AngryData wrote: post #24

Best excuse they got to fire well paid and experienced proffessionals that have worked for them for decades and replace them with low paid new hires. But GM isn't in a great spot to be weathering any negative downstream effects. And after seeing how they treat employees for decades ill have zero sympathy for them when things go downhill.

You won't be asked, your tax dollars will just be used to bail them out, either directly or through tariffs. Because democracy.

Re: GM just laid off IT workers to hire those with stronger AI skills

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Post by scorpioxy »

2ndorderthought wrote: post #12
scorpioxy wrote: post #4

> agent development, model engineering, AI-native workflows -- point directly at where large-enterprise demand is heading. I don't understand these words. Does "AI-native workflow" mean vibe coding? I am now seeing a lot of roles asking for "AI-enabled engineers". And I am not sure what that means either. I am sort of afraid to ask because the answer will probably confuse me even more. Maybe it's my understanding of…

Yea it's vibe/agentic coding. That's what about half of the current jobs are right now. It's really sad. Saw a vibe coder job today, 20bucks an hour

Interesting. I saw contractor rates dropping here too. The ones I saw recently were at pre-pandemic levels so from 6 years ago. The large increase in cost of living from that time makes it even worse. The funny part is that the skills and experience that are being asked for are at a senior level. So I guess that would be senior level vibe coder at junior rates?

Re: GM just laid off IT workers to hire those with stronger AI skills

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Post by forgetfreeman »

skywhopper wrote: post #2

This will never stop being the stupid approach. Destroy morale, lose institutional knowledge, waste months or years getting new folks up to speed, all for skills that could be developed in house and with targeted hiring by a functioning organization.

This is only stupid if you value quality of outcome. If your sole metric is make stock price go up long enough to cash out this shit is brilliant.

Re: GM just laid off IT workers to hire those with stronger AI skills

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Post by xboxnolifes »

darth_avocado wrote: post #28
2ndorderthought wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Laid off ai workers are cheaper. I saw a job posting for a vibe coder, 20 bucks an hour.

I don’t believe anyone trying to hire 20 bucks an hour for vibe coders is a serious employer. You’d make more money being a barista in some cities or a substitute teacher.

Sure, but they probably aren't living in those cities. In-person $20/hr in expensive city vs remote $20/hr in cheap cost-of-living area.

Re: GM just laid off IT workers to hire those with stronger AI skills

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Post by j-bos »

AngryData wrote: post #24

Best excuse they got to fire well paid and experienced proffessionals that have worked for them for decades and replace them with low paid new hires. But GM isn't in a great spot to be weathering any negative downstream effects. And after seeing how they treat employees for decades ill have zero sympathy for them when things go downhill.

> And after seeing how they treat employees for decades

To say nothing of their cars.

Re: GM just laid off IT workers to hire those with stronger AI skills

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Post by jongjong »

torben-friis wrote: post #23
xvxvx wrote: post #16

Get a low paid entry level job at a company. Do a good job over many years, or decades. Raises, promotions etc brings your salary up to a decent level. The company can’t have that. They use AI to cut you and start over with another low paid noob. Man, the only advice I can give people is do not sacrifice time with your loved ones for a company that doesn’t give a shit. Your kid is only going to graduate once. Those f…

That's the neat part, many don't need to worry about missing their kid's graduation because they can't afford neither kids nor the safety to have them (home ownership, etc).

It really seems like that doesn't it?

I've been down quite a few rabbit holes like that which made me think that a lot of major 'issues' appear to be meticulously engineered to protect a certain set of interests at the expense of others.

It's like; "Damm, houses are expensive, I'm going to live in a caravan" then you realize you can't park it on your own land without council approval... Then you find out that council will never approve due to it "negatively impacting the charm of the area."

Then you become homeless and realize that you can't legally put your tent anywhere and all the camping sites in the wilderness which you used to go to as a child now charge you fees to stay there and have rangers patrolling constantly (paid for by your own tax money you used to pay). Also, you can't get a job without an address and it's a literal catch-22... Then if you lose hope and start doing drugs, bad actors (possibly sponsored by foreign states) put fentanyl in the drug supply to finish you off. Then the media fully covers it up by distracting people with slop.

People are dying and it is covered up in the most targeted, effective way imaginable... They are not only killed, they are blamed for what is system failure on the way out. "Should have gotten a job," or "Shouldn't have done drugs." And the people doing the most blaming and defending the system are passive-income shareholders who have a lot of time on their hands and sit at home all day and further rig the politics in their favour. It's cooked all the way down.

It's like the dystopian book "Brave New World" is looking pretty good by comparison to where we're heading. At least in BNW, the "savages" had a designated reserve they could escape to.

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