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Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

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Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

#31
I do not think any person would freely choose unencrypted messaging.

There is no reason for unencrypted messaging.

This is a fundamental market failure.

It is only through bundling these messaging services with other services + platform dominance that unencrypted messaging still lives.

Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

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Everything Meta has built is antithetical to privacy. I’m surprised this feature existed at all.

I’m curious if this was built off the work Moxie did with them back in the day, but as I recall Facebook Messenger had E2EE built off Signal’s technology a decade or so back, and the zeitgeist back then was at least a little bit less user hostile.

I feel like if e.g. Whatsapp were not end-to-end encrypted, it would have faced significantly more regulatory scrutiny in the EU and other places where it's effectively replaced phone calls and SMS.

Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

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"In March, a spokesperson for Meta told The Guardian that the decision to abandon encryption was due to low uptake. "Very few people were opting in to end-to-end encrypted messaging in DMs, so we're removing this option from Instagram in the coming months," the spokesperson said." I wonder what it's like being a spokesperson for a company (or administration) where everyone including yourself knows your statements are…

I've noticed it is a quite common attitude in society, not paid enough to care so they don't.

I really would not assume that the spokesperson knows the true technological implications. As a Software Engineer, who has talked to people in marketing and PR from various companies, they know how much upper management tells them unless they independently research or understand, you can really tell when you start talking technical to them or asking them questions (based on business needs). I would assume it is very likely that they are oblivious.

Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

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post #31

I do not think any person would freely choose unencrypted messaging. There is no reason for unencrypted messaging. This is a fundamental market failure. It is only through bundling these messaging services with other services + platform dominance that unencrypted messaging still lives.

> I do not think any person would freely choose unencrypted messaging.

Many people do, e.g. by switching from Whatsapp to Telegram.

The market is working alright; people are (uninformedly) voting with their wallets (or rather, their personal data).

Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

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post #11
post #2

Everything Meta has built is antithetical to privacy. I’m surprised this feature existed at all.

I’m curious if this was built off the work Moxie did with them back in the day, but as I recall Facebook Messenger had E2EE built off Signal’s technology a decade or so back, and the zeitgeist back then was at least a little bit less user hostile.

That era of Facebook was the last shred of respect I had for them, but it was starting to die for me. Now I've noticed younger generations really don't seem to care about Facebook, and friends I grew up with who used to post on Facebook no longer do.

Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

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"In March, a spokesperson for Meta told The Guardian that the decision to abandon encryption was due to low uptake. "Very few people were opting in to end-to-end encrypted messaging in DMs, so we're removing this option from Instagram in the coming months," the spokesperson said." I wonder what it's like being a spokesperson for a company (or administration) where everyone including yourself knows your statements are…

I've noticed it is a quite common attitude in society, not paid enough to care so they don't.

In this case wouldn't it be paid enough to [deliberately] not care?

Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes.

No, it won't. All the "news" about that at the end of last year was 100% nonsense, started by tech "influencers" who cited nothing and showed nothing. https://lifehacker.com/tech/meta-is-not-scraping-dms-to-trai...

what has meta ever done that would instill trust in you? From the very article you cited:

> The best thing you can do to preserve your privacy and security with your Meta messages is to use end-to-end encryption (E2EE) whenever possible. WhatsApp has E2EE built-in, and Meta has automatically started rolling it out for Messenger, but you might need to manually start an E2EE chat for existing conversations in the app. The same goes for Instagram: Meta offers E2EE, but you need to enable it yourself. In either app, tap the name of the chat to check whether or not that conversation is currently E2EE.

Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

#38
post #31

I do not think any person would freely choose unencrypted messaging. There is no reason for unencrypted messaging. This is a fundamental market failure. It is only through bundling these messaging services with other services + platform dominance that unencrypted messaging still lives.

True e2e makes it hard to sync a new device and makes it easy to lose all your history. The company also can't help you recover your messages and it's unclear for normal people why (often met with anger or disappointment).

Unencrypted messaging is easier and more convenient, just login from anywhere and done. So there are actual technical and rational reasons to choose against e2e.

Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

#39
post #11
post #2

Everything Meta has built is antithetical to privacy. I’m surprised this feature existed at all.

I’m curious if this was built off the work Moxie did with them back in the day, but as I recall Facebook Messenger had E2EE built off Signal’s technology a decade or so back, and the zeitgeist back then was at least a little bit less user hostile.

I feel like Messenger was originally a new front-end for the send message feature of thefacebook.com's social network for college students. It was based on the PHP architecture where all the messages are in a database and you just render HTML to show them.

That grew into the Messenger mobile app. They eventually added private messaging, but it was never popular/defaulted because users expected the chat moles on facebook.com to be able to show the same messages as the mobile app. If facebook.com can't read your messages, it can't show them there.

Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

#40
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"In March, a spokesperson for Meta told The Guardian that the decision to abandon encryption was due to low uptake. "Very few people were opting in to end-to-end encrypted messaging in DMs, so we're removing this option from Instagram in the coming months," the spokesperson said." I wonder what it's like being a spokesperson for a company (or administration) where everyone including yourself knows your statements are…

I've noticed it is a quite common attitude in society, not paid enough to care so they don't.

Oh people care, it’s just - the likelihood of being held responsible in the current USA political climate is moot.

Americans can’t even agree on persecuting pedophiles, what makes you think they can agree on a clear loss of privacy for the normies that only people in power will only benefit from?

It’s all exhausting

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