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Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by ghusto »

rendleflag wrote: post #29

The biggest problem is fans. They want to re-experience what they had when they first saw it, then get mad when the movies don't live up to their past experience. I was 7 when Star Wars came out. I had all the toys. I saw the movie a dozen times. It was an experience. As an adult, when I watch to again, I think “wow, this is really not good.” The special effects hold up , but the acting, the dialog, the pacing is all…

I too realised that the films just aren't very good on re-watching them as an adult. The new films are not good in a different way though.

There was never even an attempt at a cohesive story, let alone a single vision for the sequels. It was given to different writers and directors who all had free reign for their projects and took them in different directions. They weren't just "not good", they were a mess.

Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by funimpoded »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #2

The only one of the sequels that had any balls was The Last Jedi, and Disney was so frightened by the backlash to some of its elements (like the idea that our hero could be-- gasp --a person of NON-royal lineage!) that it then spent the entire last movie trying to retcon everything that made TLJ potentially interesting.

TLJ was almost great, but clearly needed to see Rey go dark at the end, while Kylo turns away from the dark side, and we get a role-reversed third movie. It was heading there so clearly that I have to think juking and doing the obvious, boring thing was a studio meddling issue. “Ok no you can do a lot but you can’t do that.”

Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by funimpoded »

jmyeet wrote: post #20

Disney can do whatever it wants if it restores and releases a 4K version of the theatrical cuts of the original trilogy, something the fan base has wanted for decades at this point. I won't hold my breath. Very large companies are generally very bad at consistently producing original content because everything in a corporat eenvironment skews towards not taking any risks. Big companies want a repeatable formula. It's…

> Disney can do whatever it wants if it restores and releases a 4K version of the theatrical cuts of the original trilogy, something the fan base has wanted for decades at this point. I won't hold my breath.

We have 4k77 and the follow-up projects. I doubt Disney would release anything I’d prefer to those. They would probably find a way to make their version slightly worse.

Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by funimpoded »

rendleflag wrote: post #29

The biggest problem is fans. They want to re-experience what they had when they first saw it, then get mad when the movies don't live up to their past experience. I was 7 when Star Wars came out. I had all the toys. I saw the movie a dozen times. It was an experience. As an adult, when I watch to again, I think “wow, this is really not good.” The special effects hold up , but the acting, the dialog, the pacing is all…

Funny, the deeper I get into film the more I respect how much the original trilogy does really well. Especially the first two, Jedi’s got some “I have a story I want to tell a certain way but am stuck with more characters than I need and refuse to budge on either front” issues in the script, among other script issues (some giving us a preview of problems that would really come to the front in the prequels)

Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by xg15 »

OT, but when did actual plot details of fictional universes become business decisions?

I can understand the business side setting constraints for plot writers to include or exclude certain characters (to tie-in with merchandise and promo campaigns) and maintain reputation, family-friendliness, political orientation, etc. But I always assumed that apart from that stuff, the business side would be mostly uninterested in the storytelling details.

But "cinematic universes" feel like something different. The fictional world and its continuity itself becomes a business asset. Suddenly writers are implementing executive decisions how the world should develop.

On the one hand, it feels a bit like devaluation of the craft. In another context, some space time anomaly that ties different timelines together could make an interesting story, but here it feels functional.

On the other hand, I wonder why they even bother with an in-universe explanation. They could have simply announced that the sequel trilogy is noncanon, or made the next part into a reboot or something like that. Are they so worried that parts of the fandom will drop off if the continuity is ever interrupted? (Ignoring how many times things were already retconned)

I think that's what feels weird about cinematic universes for me. They feel like someone is trying to build a real-world business empire inside a fictional universe.

Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by randycupertino »

rendleflag wrote: post #29

The biggest problem is fans. They want to re-experience what they had when they first saw it, then get mad when the movies don't live up to their past experience. I was 7 when Star Wars came out. I had all the toys. I saw the movie a dozen times. It was an experience. As an adult, when I watch to again, I think “wow, this is really not good.” The special effects hold up , but the acting, the dialog, the pacing is all…

> the pacing is all 'meh'

I thought the pacing for Asoka was particularly glacial. I get they were going with a thoughtful/slow burn but there was soooo much empty staring into space, landscape shots, filler content walking through the highlands with nothing happening, etc. I think they should have gotten Thrawn in the mix by episode 3!

Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by orwin »

NeutralCrane wrote: post #12
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #2

The only one of the sequels that had any balls was The Last Jedi, and Disney was so frightened by the backlash to some of its elements (like the idea that our hero could be-- gasp --a person of NON-royal lineage!) that it then spent the entire last movie trying to retcon everything that made TLJ potentially interesting.

I don’t think “the idea that our hero could be--gasp--a person of NON-royal lineage!” was even in the top 10 of the biggest issues people had with that movie.

It was at lease top3 though, with "the casino interlude didn't advance the story" (which _was_ the point, heroics in a war are often useless). My main issue with TLJ story is that it felt half baked/unfinished in many way. Rey going dark/grey would have been a good finish.

Most of the other issues are from TFA, because that movie made no sense. Oftentime strategically, movies do not make any sense, but that does not hamper their plot (in the movies Lord of the ring The Two Towers/The Return of the King, strategically the decisions are pure nonsense; when the books did a lot of work to explain how they end up in those very bad positions, but hte movies are still great if you don't really think about it). In TFA, i just can't understand why the republic are now rebels who use guerrilla/freedom fighter tactics. I don't understand the strategy behind anything, and honestly, the plot devices are too big to be excused. At least TLJ tries to answer the " but why?", often poorly, but at least you have explanations (and sometimes some punts to JJ abrahams, but honestly, fair play.)

Re: Rumor: Disney to Remove Star Wars Sequel Trilogy from Timeline

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Post by snapetom »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #17
NeutralCrane wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think “the idea that our hero could be--gasp--a person of NON-royal lineage!” was even in the top 10 of the biggest issues people had with that movie.

That was certainly among the most vocal complaints I remember hearing about the movie at the time (other than the moronic "Too woke!" complaints), and Wikipedia supports my memory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Last_Jedi#Audie... > Particularly divisive was the reveal that Rey's parents are insignificant; many fans had expected her to be Luke's daughter or to share a lineage with another character from…

Remembering and reading the source articles, divisiveness wasn't the fact Rey's parents weren't royal lineage, it was that fans are going to speculate, and Disney did nothing on or off screen to manage that speculation. In fact, Disney fanned the flames leading up to it.

Rian Johnson: "It's something that is absolutely going to be addressed... The other part of it is there are lots of surprises in this movie and lots of twists and turns, and I really want people to experience those when they see the movie for the first time. "

Ok, so years of oh, ah, and then the big lineage reveal comes and she's just a peasant girl. Screen rant called this "anticlimatic," which is was. The easily could have managed that earlier with a decent plot and decent writing, but the whole trilogy seemed to be written by a bunch of high school students.

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