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Re: Days without GitHub incidents

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Post by giwook »

jedberg wrote: post #20
tayo42 wrote: post #2

I wonder what morale is like at github. This is like gamer level hating

It's not great. Just talked to a hubber last week. They said everyone inside feels pretty dejected right now, and these posts don't help. I feel for them -- with AI coders submitting 25 PRs within an hour of an issue being filed, GitHub bears the brunt of that along with the maintainers. That's a lot of work that gets done with each PR. But they need to make some changes quickly.

I wouldn't feel too bad for them with their top-of-market comp and valuable RSU packages.

Re: Days without GitHub incidents

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Post by JamesSwift »

jedberg wrote: post #20
tayo42 wrote: post #2

I wonder what morale is like at github. This is like gamer level hating

It's not great. Just talked to a hubber last week. They said everyone inside feels pretty dejected right now, and these posts don't help. I feel for them -- with AI coders submitting 25 PRs within an hour of an issue being filed, GitHub bears the brunt of that along with the maintainers. That's a lot of work that gets done with each PR. But they need to make some changes quickly.

I just dont really buy the explanation though. It seems so solvable to hack a throttle or something in place, especially for non-paid plans. The cracks were also showing before AI hit the scene.

Im not saying this is the end-game solution but absolutely they could have put temporary safeguards in place while they "figure it out" if it _really_ is just AI driven slop setting their computers on fire.

Re: Days without GitHub incidents

#33

Post by remus »

tensegrist wrote: post #15
kedihacker wrote: post #3

I don't think aggregating the whole platform into one number is fair. It's like adding the whole aws into one number

splitting the status page like they do, to the point where it is only a bit of humourous exaggeration to say that they track broken `git push` and `git pull` separately, is a sleight of hand / accounting / SLA-fudging that we should not excuse there is a subset of the site that pretty much everyone uses — git, issues, pull requests, actions — and if any part of that is broken then the site is broken and the status pa…

> splitting the status page like they do, to the point where it is only a bit of humourous exaggeration to say that they track broken `git push` and `git pull` separately, is a sleight of hand / accounting / SLA-fudging that we should not excuse

This is a pretty ungenerous take. You could look at it the other way: if I don't use actions then it's useful for me to know that only actions are broken, and I can continue in my normal usage. If you bundle everything up then the status page is reporting an unhelpful false positive for me.

Re: Days without GitHub incidents

#34

Post by batshit_beaver »

giwook wrote: post #31
jedberg wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not great. Just talked to a hubber last week. They said everyone inside feels pretty dejected right now, and these posts don't help. I feel for them -- with AI coders submitting 25 PRs within an hour of an issue being filed, GitHub bears the brunt of that along with the maintainers. That's a lot of work that gets done with each PR. But they need to make some changes quickly.

I wouldn't feel too bad for them with their top-of-market comp and valuable RSU packages.

GitHub doesn't pay top of market.

Re: Days without GitHub incidents

#35

Post by logicchains »

otterley wrote: post #28
dijit wrote: post #8

Lots of apologia for Github here. Aside from the fact that defending a billion-dollar company is a bit strange; especially one that is steward to the the overwhelming majority of open-source software. Maybe that's good-will doing the work? For me it's always been a sour pill to swallow that I have to buy in to a large companies internal politics and practices in order to work on projects I love. I don't feel like I o…

Let me ask the question in reverse: what do you have against them such that the fellow human beings struggling to maintain their operations don’t deserve even a modicum of kindness, respect, and good will? Are you unable to separate the business from the hard working people behind it? It’s not like they don’t know that people like us are counting on them: they recognize that their service is the “dial tone” for much…

>What happened to #hugops? Does it go out the window because those people happen to work for a company you don’t like?

Would you feel the same way about a colleague who kept causing downtime in your product again and again, seemingly without making any progress in addressing whatever issue was causing their repeated mistakes?

There are web applications out there that are far more complex than GitHub but have much less downtime. It's not like they're facing an unsolvable problem.

Re: Days without GitHub incidents

#36

Post by VirusNewbie »

otterley wrote: post #28
dijit wrote: post #8

Lots of apologia for Github here. Aside from the fact that defending a billion-dollar company is a bit strange; especially one that is steward to the the overwhelming majority of open-source software. Maybe that's good-will doing the work? For me it's always been a sour pill to swallow that I have to buy in to a large companies internal politics and practices in order to work on projects I love. I don't feel like I o…

Let me ask the question in reverse: what do you have against them such that the fellow human beings struggling to maintain their operations don’t deserve even a modicum of kindness, respect, and good will? Are you unable to separate the business from the hard working people behind it? It’s not like they don’t know that people like us are counting on them: they recognize that their service is the “dial tone” for much…

Executives have made a choice to not pay for top talent at Microsoft Azure and Github.

Re: Days without GitHub incidents

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Post by jcgrillo »

jedberg wrote: post #20
tayo42 wrote: post #2

I wonder what morale is like at github. This is like gamer level hating

It's not great. Just talked to a hubber last week. They said everyone inside feels pretty dejected right now, and these posts don't help. I feel for them -- with AI coders submitting 25 PRs within an hour of an issue being filed, GitHub bears the brunt of that along with the maintainers. That's a lot of work that gets done with each PR. But they need to make some changes quickly.

The whole "anyone can submit a PR" thing has been a UX issue from day one. That probably needs to go away, and I doubt anyone would really miss it. Where Github could help is by providing a means to build trust that doesn't involve random unknown people slinging code at projects.

Re: Days without GitHub incidents

#39

Post by perrygeo »

mproud wrote: post #6

Supposedly commits on GitHub are up 14x YoY.

14x is insane, especially since the quality and quantity of IRL software has barely budged.

One could hope that we'd use these newfound agentic coding powers to actually realize value, improve quality, etc. Instead I see enshittification and stagnation. What are we even doing with all these tokens?

Re: Days without GitHub incidents

#40

Post by pluc »

dijit wrote: post #8

Lots of apologia for Github here. Aside from the fact that defending a billion-dollar company is a bit strange; especially one that is steward to the the overwhelming majority of open-source software. Maybe that's good-will doing the work? For me it's always been a sour pill to swallow that I have to buy in to a large companies internal politics and practices in order to work on projects I love. I don't feel like I o…

I'm surprised at how little the perception of GitHub changed post-acquisition. Coupled with WSL, it almost balanced things for a lot of people and put Microsoft back in the "benefit of the doubt" column. This is undoing a lot of that, on top of the operational costs. Suddenly the bad press is more noticeable and harder to ignore.
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