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Debunking the CIA's “magic” heartbeat sensor [video]

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Re: Debunking the CIA's “magic” heartbeat sensor [video]

#31
I watched this video earlier today and came away unconvinced. Labeling this HN post as debunking feels a bit leading as that is not the title of the video. They did not follow all of the necessary logic to debunk it.

They boiled it down to: might be technically possible, but it's improbable, if you make assumptions we're making that are unreasonable.

Whether the video was just sloppy and weak by chance, or they're trying to bury this, or it legitimately doesn't work, I don't know. This video doesn't answer that.

Re: Debunking the CIA's “magic” heartbeat sensor [video]

#32
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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s wrong with veritasium?

It's been bought up by venture capital and it's rubbed a lot of fans the wrong way with the changes by the new management.

I was also afraid of that, but I actually really liked the recent videos.

Re: Debunking the CIA's “magic” heartbeat sensor [video]

#33
this is such a classic, well trodden propaganda tool i'm surprised anyone here falls for it.

tell the public about an incredibly advanced piece of tech that simultaneously justifies the $1 trillion+ military budget, makes people fear the sophistication of our government (prevent dissidence internally) and distract from otherwise embarrassing flaws in the war so far.

it's like how trump releases "proof" of aliens ever time he wants to distract from a new epstein files bombshell.

if you believe this i've got a bridge to sell you.

Re: Debunking the CIA's “magic” heartbeat sensor [video]

#34
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More likely, the story is designed to make the public believe that US propaganda is actually aimed at the "foreign adversary" rather than at the US population. The emotionally appealing bit is the idea that even if the story is fake, Iran is now thinking it is dealing with an adversary that has and is using tech that is right out of science fiction. In reality, it's all aimed at us, the people. All of the "tough talk…

The us did recently announce that it has technology that can manipulate space and time or something. It's very likely a psyop like you said. "You don't know how advanced we really are! When we come for you you better just give up!" I bet the us does have some secret weapons technologies. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are sci fi adjacent. But I think their biggest asset is likely intelligence, and channels t…

> The us did recently announce that is has technology that can manipulate space and time or something.

Do you have more on this?

Re: Debunking the CIA's “magic” heartbeat sensor [video]

#35

We know it's simple to detect someone's heartbeat from just colour changes of ones skin in a regular video taken with a phone camera. Wouldn't this be trivial with military level IR tech? Sounds way more likely than some amazing new top secret technology that is somehow filtering out every other magnetic field and can detect a heartbeat through mountains.

Why is everyone debating some theoretical advanced heartbeat or otherwise people detection tech rather than the absolutely obvious answer - some kind of advanced, specialized transmitter that's designed to be hard to detect and simply transmits the encrypted GPS coordinates of the pilot?

I think the fear of being located isn't based on the fact that someone can decrypt an encrypted transmission, its simply because someone can trace that a particular location is transmitting some radio waves.

Re: Debunking the CIA's “magic” heartbeat sensor [video]

#36
As always with these kinds of outlandish claims, the best explanation is almost always that the journalist with the arts major degree misunderstood a key phrase in long-winded technobabble, and ran with it.

I mean... come on, we of all people have all surely been involved in one of these. We explain some deeply technical thing to some salesperson, they hear one word they understand, and the gleefully run off like a dog with a bone telling everyone that we can compress any movie into a single kilobyte.

"No, no, that's just the torrent root hash!"

"So you are saying it can be compressed into a kilobyte!"

Etc...

Quantum magnetometers are real, they are crazy sensitive, and apparently there are some research programs into making a "tricorder"-like device that can detect a human heartbeat ten centimeters away. I.e.: you've got an unconscious pilot in full flight kit, exposed to the elements overnight, no detectable pulse but... wait! Hey! Perfect time to test that new doohicky the boys in the lab cooked up!

That gets turned into a press release by someone who doesn't know what a centimeter even is because they're a Yank that grew up knowing only Freedom Units, got 10 clicks confused with 10 cm and... wow! What a press release! The best ever!

Now the whole world is talking about how we can detect a pilot miles away with a signal that normally takes special conductive lube and low-resistance wires coupled to a highly sensitive amplifier to detect reliably.

Not to mention the obvious problem of having to filter out, oh, I don't know, the heartbeat of the person holding it. And everyone else nearby. Every desert animal. The electronics of the helicopter used to get there. The radio on their belt. Satellites. Every mobile phone in the vicinity. On and on.

None of that matters, because someone got an exclusive story.

Re: Debunking the CIA's “magic” heartbeat sensor [video]

#37
post #12

More likely, the story is designed to make the public believe that US propaganda is actually aimed at the "foreign adversary" rather than at the US population. The emotionally appealing bit is the idea that even if the story is fake, Iran is now thinking it is dealing with an adversary that has and is using tech that is right out of science fiction. In reality, it's all aimed at us, the people. All of the "tough talk…

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Re: Debunking the CIA's “magic” heartbeat sensor [video]

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The us did recently announce that it has technology that can manipulate space and time or something. It's very likely a psyop like you said. "You don't know how advanced we really are! When we come for you you better just give up!" I bet the us does have some secret weapons technologies. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are sci fi adjacent. But I think their biggest asset is likely intelligence, and channels t…

> The us did recently announce that is has technology that can manipulate space and time or something. Do you have more on this?

Google "us announces it can manipulate space and time"

Re: Debunking the CIA's “magic” heartbeat sensor [video]

#39
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If they can detect the faint signal of a heartbeat from so far away, why not instead deliberately transmit a weak, wider-bandwidth pseudorandom magnetic signal? Such a signal would be even harder to detect than a heartbeat without prior knowledge, yet easier to identify and track using a matched filter.

They want to lie about how they found the soldier, and potentially have China spend a few billion trying to copy technology that can never work.

Was there even a soldier to find? Why wasn't his name released? Iran says it was actually a failed operation to capture their uranium.

Re: Debunking the CIA's “magic” heartbeat sensor [video]

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post #23
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s wrong with veritasium?

It's been bought up by venture capital and it's rubbed a lot of fans the wrong way with the changes by the new management.

What are the changes that are rubbing fans the wrong way? I feel like the latest videos have been interesting.
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