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Business Owners Are Worst Clients

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Re: Business Owners Are Worst Clients

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I worked for a technology consultancy which had an unwritten policy that they would decline engagements where the primary point of contact (or champion) would end up being the owner of the client company.

Wise choice

Businesses are usually better than individuals.

But businesses owners themselves are a hit or miss

Re: Business Owners Are Worst Clients

#32
I've had completely the opposite experience at Ritza, my dev rel agency, for the last 5 years.

My favourite is to work directly with owners, cofounders, etc. They know what they want, and they have the authority to approve stuff - it's really nice just focusing on the 'real' work instead of the admin and to know that the goals they set are likely valuable and not just someone trying to check a box somewhere.

Re: Business Owners Are Worst Clients

#33
I haven't seen much of business owners being ornery like the article describes, but there's other challenges:

Business owners (thinking SMBs) tend to have a holistic view of their entire business, to know what everything costs, how the numbers work out, etc., and to personally feel the risk. They also generally don't have a lot of time to invest in changes, and may not want to delegate too much. And they know that a lot of vendors are full of poo.

(Source: Our anti-counterfeiting slash supply chain integrity startup ended up working with major brands, but we also tried small businesses (e.g., designer who had their own production line of huge CNC machines in their studio). We tried tailoring solutions to some of these upscale small businesses, but in the end we only ended up getting money from large enterprise prestige brands. Enterprise sales, OTOH, is a painful and risky slog of numerous stakeholders, foot-dragging dependencies, opaque politics, changing priorities, etc.)

Re: Business Owners Are Worst Clients

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the selection may run the other way (or both ways). The population of small business owner-operators is disproportionately stocked with people who don't get along well with other people, who selected themselves out of having to deal with an organization of peers.

How many small business owners do you know? All the ones I have dealt with have survived precisely because of their ability to get along with people. If you have no people skills your small business will fail.

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Re: Business Owners Are Worst Clients

#35
I was assigned to support sales people in a job long ago. I learned a lot about sales but it was enlightening to see their strategies for maximizing their reward to effort ratio.

A key strategy was to find someone in the company with decision making power or influence but who also was not really spending their own money/budget directly. You were wasting your time talking to anyone without power to make or influence decisions, but you didn’t want to go too high up the chain because the closer you got to the people who owned the business or the P/L of a division, the more questions they asked to make sure they were getting the best value.

So the optimal sales target was a middle manager who wanted an easy solution that felt like it would help their KPIs but who also didn’t really care if it was a good value as long as the number wasn’t so high that people started asking questions.

If you got pushed up to the business owner level you were going to get grilled on value and efficiency, so they would actually try to push down the chain to someone who didn’t feel like they were spending their own money. Middle managers will spend as much money as the business will let them to build their empires and hit those KPIs for the next raise. There is also a mentality that you need to spend a lot of money every quarter to avoid having your budget cut next quarter, which consultants are happy to help them do.

So it makes sense that any provider looking for the easiest clients wouldn’t want to go up to the business owner level.

Re: Business Owners Are Worst Clients

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I wonder if there's an element of self-selection. The type of people to own a business could be more likely to put up a fight when things don't go their way (e.g. to protect the business and their investments), whereas the typical consumer is more likely to accept things as they are and not fight the business ("whatever, I'll just use another service").

I think the selection may run the other way (or both ways). The population of small business owner-operators is disproportionately stocked with people who don't get along well with other people, who selected themselves out of having to deal with an organization of peers.

Someone who doesn’t get along well with other people is going to have a difficult time operating a business beyond a simple 1-person shop.

Relationship management is everything in running a small business. You have to get along with clients, employees, suppliers, customers, and do a good job so all of them continue wanting to work with you.

Re: Business Owners Are Worst Clients

#38
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the selection may run the other way (or both ways). The population of small business owner-operators is disproportionately stocked with people who don't get along well with other people, who selected themselves out of having to deal with an organization of peers.

Someone who doesn’t get along well with other people is going to have a difficult time operating a business beyond a simple 1-person shop. Relationship management is everything in running a small business. You have to get along with clients, employees, suppliers, customers, and do a good job so all of them continue wanting to work with you.

When you’re paying someone’s bill/salary, it changes the dynamic.

Just like someone in customer service might act differently with coworkers vs customers.

Re: Business Owners Are Worst Clients

#39
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A business owner has lots of bosses: basically every customer.

That's true, but as business owner you can also fire your boss.

Employees can quit too.

In both scenarios, it really depends on how many alternative options for income you have available.

Re: Business Owners Are Worst Clients

#40
When consulting, I've found the opposite to be true, but I've tended to work with smaller businesses, often as a solo developer on whatever project I'm on (my current employer, who I've been with for a long time, started as such). Then again, on every project, I've tried to understand the business and the role I play, understanding that the technology itself serves the business, not the other way around.
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