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Open Design: Use Your Coding Agent as a Design Engine

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Re: Open Design: Use Your Coding Agent as a Design Engine

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The inevitable outcome here is that designed materials become so generic and infinitely produceable that they become worthless background noise. We are well on the way to that path. For almost all materials the only value of getting a seriously produced work of design (i.e., the "make me a magazine-style pitch deck for our seed round" this design engine mentions) is a signaling function that some combination of effor…

I don't disagree, but I'm not sure I see the point you're trying to make.

Re: Open Design: Use Your Coding Agent as a Design Engine

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The inevitable outcome here is that designed materials become so generic and infinitely produceable that they become worthless background noise. We are well on the way to that path. For almost all materials the only value of getting a seriously produced work of design (i.e., the "make me a magazine-style pitch deck for our seed round" this design engine mentions) is a signaling function that some combination of effor…

> The purpose of making a powerpoint deck before a meeting is rarely the value of a deck. Rather it is signaling that someone spent some time actually organizing their thoughts instead of bloviating spontaneously.

> All of this is lost with AI led design. Producing designed artifacts are free and instant. Yeah you will impress the old folks for a year or so who haven't caught onto the joke.

I was at an AI/LLM themed hackathon recently. At the end the winning teams presented what they’d done.

The slides were all AI generated, which was fair given the theme and the short time they had at the end to prepare to say something (~10 minutes given to prepare after winners were announced, and before that all teams were spending all the three or so hours we had fully focused on the tasks rather than wasting time making presentations about what had been done).

Still felt a bit weird to see someone speak with slides that were as surprising to themselves as it was to the audience. Like I said, no shade on them in this case given the theme of the hackathon. But it does make me wonder how the future will be at many jobs where “velocity”/“productivity” is so much in the focus that unreviewed LLM generated slides becomes the norm. Hopefully not.

Re: Open Design: Use Your Coding Agent as a Design Engine

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The README is unnerving. Do people really see the Claude-salesman style of writing as something normal? On the other hand, I should be thanking Anthropic for making it so easy to spot, they might have done this intentionally.

> That's not "AI tries to design something". That's an AI that has been trained, by the prompt stack, to behave like a senior designer with a working filesystem, a deterministic palette library, and a checklist culture What, you don't want your senior designer to have a working filesystem and checklist culture? No deterministic palettes?

> OD stands on four open-source shoulders:

That's impressive, although I'd hesitate to call that "standing", it's more a crawl I'd say.

Re: Open Design: Use Your Coding Agent as a Design Engine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Originality. The same as with art. Art and design are more than just a mean to satisfy a need. They are an opportunity to explore, to question. When Georges Seurat developed pointillism, he wasn't trying to compete with the people who could imitate Raphael. He created his own direction.

Yes but you're talking about groundbreaking work. There's so much joy to be found in regular human creating and sharing. The creating part still remains because it's intrinsic but the sharing part feels discouraging now. Regular, non-groundbreaking creative work seems ... less worthy of sharing?

> The creating part still remains because it's intrinsic but the sharing part feels discouraging now.

Why? Is a chair that you made with your own hands not as valuable to you because somebody else got one from Ikea? Would you not show it to your friends for this reason?

Re: Open Design: Use Your Coding Agent as a Design Engine

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The inevitable outcome here is that designed materials become so generic and infinitely produceable that they become worthless background noise. We are well on the way to that path. For almost all materials the only value of getting a seriously produced work of design (i.e., the "make me a magazine-style pitch deck for our seed round" this design engine mentions) is a signaling function that some combination of effor…

It's cheap. That's all.

Re: Open Design: Use Your Coding Agent as a Design Engine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but you're talking about groundbreaking work. There's so much joy to be found in regular human creating and sharing. The creating part still remains because it's intrinsic but the sharing part feels discouraging now. Regular, non-groundbreaking creative work seems ... less worthy of sharing?

> The creating part still remains because it's intrinsic but the sharing part feels discouraging now. Why? Is a chair that you made with your own hands not as valuable to you because somebody else got one from Ikea? Would you not show it to your friends for this reason?

Why would you pick an example that does not have AI as a competitor?

If people could generate an infinite variety of chairs in a few seconds, than yes, my sharing would be discouraged.

Re: Open Design: Use Your Coding Agent as a Design Engine

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The inevitable outcome here is that designed materials become so generic and infinitely produceable that they become worthless background noise. We are well on the way to that path. For almost all materials the only value of getting a seriously produced work of design (i.e., the "make me a magazine-style pitch deck for our seed round" this design engine mentions) is a signaling function that some combination of effor…

> The purpose of making a powerpoint deck before a meeting is rarely the value of a deck. Rather it is signaling that someone spent some time actually organizing their thoughts instead of bloviating spontaneously. > All of this is lost with AI led design. Producing designed artifacts are free and instant. Yeah you will impress the old folks for a year or so who haven't caught onto the joke. I was at an AI/LLM themed…

Obviously if you make the slides yourself then you'd know the content well.

The way of using these tools is not to one-shot your slide deck (unless you have plenty time to learn the content) but give it a base product you've already worked on and ask it to make it pretty, interesting, etc. and perhaps make small changes to the content which you'd review and learn.

You can probably use a knife as a fork but it wouldn't be the best way of using the knife.

Re: Open Design: Use Your Coding Agent as a Design Engine

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How does a human designer even compete? I just looked at all the demos and they look beautiful. I hand designed my site https://www.nair.sh/ and it feels like it doesn't even compare. Sure, there's some judgment as to what design is appropriate in a given situation, but it just feels like so much harder for a human's design to feel valuable now.

Are you a designer? Everything AI does looks impressive if you are not familiar with it.

You're right in that our expertise can see how this was not generated with the same kind of thoughtfulness that we might apply.

But you're wrong in implying (if you are) that it's not valuable to be impressive to a non-expert.

Re: Open Design: Use Your Coding Agent as a Design Engine

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The inevitable outcome here is that designed materials become so generic and infinitely produceable that they become worthless background noise. We are well on the way to that path. For almost all materials the only value of getting a seriously produced work of design (i.e., the "make me a magazine-style pitch deck for our seed round" this design engine mentions) is a signaling function that some combination of effor…

I’m glad people will have to evaluate the substance of the deck rather than using a cheap heuristic like how visually appealing the presentation is.

I understand there tends to be a correlation between visual appeal and effort, and correlation between effort and merit, but correlation is notoriously flawed. Flawed models can be useful, but only if one qualifies their use sufficiently. I don’t think most people who used are using the aesthetics heuristic you mention to gauge merit are using it rigorously to sharpen their thinking, they’re using it as a shortcut to prevent themselves from needing to think.

An equally plausible scenario to that of which you mention is that technical people can make presentations that are similarly visually appealing as the non-technical people, and that their opinions will be valued more than before. Maybe this will happen, maybe this won’t happen, but I am certain that we do not know yet.

Re: Open Design: Use Your Coding Agent as a Design Engine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you a designer? Everything AI does looks impressive if you are not familiar with it.

You're right in that our expertise can see how this was not generated with the same kind of thoughtfulness that we might apply. But you're wrong in implying (if you are) that it's not valuable to be impressive to a non-expert.

Or isn't it? You are one step away from deploying superficially impressive things, without understanding what is lacking.
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